A follow up after the Smackdown from on high. :)

Story: Beginners Linux: "Forget Laymans terms, DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH?"Total Replies: 4
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vorkragresh

Apr 17, 2007
10:40 AM EDT
Ok, it seems the story had some, shall we say Issues with my mentor and since I for the most part agree with him Allow me to post the revisions here :)

First I apologize for the error in the JED controls....it should have been Alt -F opens the file menu you then hit S to save the file, Then Alt-F again and X to exit back to command prompt. Also I did not mean to seem as if I were saying that the MAN application was a part of the 2.6.20.4 kernel. As was pointed out to me, it is a part of the Slackware Distro of Linux http://www.slackware.org/.

Also let me give you the links that I forgot to add to my main story. I gave credit to folks who use good links in their messages then forgot to do so myself so please have a look at the following at your leisure.

KDE Window Manager http://www.kde.org/ Enlightenment Window Manager http://www.enlightenment.org/ Gnome Window Manager http://www.gnome.org/ SUSE Linux http://www.novell.com/linux/ Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org/ Redhat Linux http://www.redhat.com/ Ubuntu Linux http://www.ubuntu.com/ And lest we forget the brains of the whole Operation The Kernel http://www.kernel.org/

Also I seem to put emphesis where it was not correct to do so. The source for your kernel and the place you need to go for the make menuconfig is /usr/src/linux I think of it as User Source Linux :)

That all being said, allow me one last item. I did not mean to put xWindows and Microsotf windows together in any manner of comparison except to say that to the end user who knows nothing about Linux, this is the most familier feature and gives them the feeling that they are in "Windows"
vorkragresh

Apr 17, 2007
10:42 AM EDT
Ok, anyone...why didn't my html links work? LOL
Abe

Apr 17, 2007
11:23 AM EDT
Quoting:Ok, anyone...why didn't my html links work? LOL


To create an active link, all you need to do is to include its URL address like so.

a space was inserted between the characters in the first one to show the URL, the 2nd doesn't have any spaces and it is taken as a link. In other words, the pre-processor looks for h t t p:// to create the link for you

h t t p: / / tux500.com http://tux500.com
vorkragresh

Apr 17, 2007
11:57 AM EDT
Thanks that should take care of it
mvermeer

Apr 19, 2007
10:04 PM EDT
> That all being said, allow me one last item. I did not mean to put xWindows and > Microsotf windows together in any manner of comparison except to say that to > the end user who knows nothing about Linux, this is the most familier feature and > gives them the feeling that they are in "Windows"

Actually, even that is not exactly, factually correct... although you could say -- and it would be good enough to get the idea across -- that X + some window manager + KDE is the "thingy" that wants to be compared with Microsoft Windows.

Note the terminology. There is structure in this thing -- lots of structure -- and that is reflected in the words we use. I am sure that deep inside, MS Windows has lots of structure too, but we poor mortals :-) obviously don't get to see much of that. They do their best to hide it.

The X Windowing System (note the name) takes care of the lowest of the lowest aspects of the graphical user interface. Drawing things on the screen. Figures, bitmaps, characters. And taking mouse and keyboard inputs.

As an end user, you don't do much with that. It's the applications running on top that do useful things for you. One of those can be a window manager (note terminology) that does precisely that: manage windows. Place them on-screen, open/close them, resize them, and make sure the top bar with the little buttons does its thing.

For fun, if you want to see how primitive a wm can be, look at twm. Or a little better, fvwm. A long time ago this was the standard.

On top of that: graphical desktop environments. They are for end users, but also for programmers, allowing all applications on a desktop to look and work in a consistent fashion. And have all those niceties like a panel and draw-down menu and on-desktop icons for starting up apps.

From the X point of view, this is just user stuff running on top: a collection of APIs (i.e., libraries of program calls to be linked into your applications) to be used by compliant applications, as well as code for the panel, file manager etc.

While low-level X may be ultra-primitive, it is also ultra-powerful. Putting "stuff" on the screen, yes, but THAT SCREEN MAY BE HALFWAY AROUND THE EARTH. And still ridiculously easy to use with ssh's X forwarding facility. People looking at "X-Windows" as just an alternative, free MS Windows, easily forget this. Even Nokia managed to forget it. Don't.

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