Herr Stallman

Story: Richard Stallman on ISP filtering and censorshipTotal Replies: 13
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Feb 18, 2009
8:44 AM EDT
RMS: I have four suggestions:

Keep your wireless networks open, so that you will not become an enforcer for an unjust Internet regime.

* Tell politicians you demand they legalize sharing of all published works, and that you will accept no excuse for failing to do this.

* Reject all products with Digital Restrictions Management that you don’t have the means to crack, and never make an exception.

* Join the DefectiveByDesign.org campaign.

Yeah that works!

Feb 18, 2009
8:54 AM EDT
Quoting:Keep your wireless networks open, so that you will not become an enforcer for an unjust Internet regime.

Did he just say, share your hard earned money with every fool within range? Did he just say, open your network to any malicious hacker in existence? Did he just say, your personal privacy and security are not rights? Did he just say, I'm sure you can come up with a few more idiocies to put here.

Feb 18, 2009
8:56 AM EDT
I wont get into how his death to copyright idea, destroys the only protection the GPL has.

Feb 18, 2009
9:09 AM EDT
az.... You are right but... unless you can get all the admins in this world to pull the plug at the same moment, RMS has a way to confound the gov/corp megaplex.

If any of you follow the tech and business news that covers internet access you will see that the companies providing the tubes and the gov are going to put a big crimp in your online experience! Soon.

Everyday we get more tools to do more things. Everyday we lose some right to use those tools.

They want to give us 100Mbps service with 5Gig caps? I fail to see the humor in that!

Feb 18, 2009
11:01 AM EDT
"Keep your wireless networks open, so that you will not become an enforcer for an unjust Internet regime" is great advice. We don't own the wires-- "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" is a myth. There are plenty of chokepoints, and governments and big business have been exerting enormous pressures to fence in and control the Internet. And they're succeeding. There isn't even enough redundancy to route around damage. One fiber cable was severed last year and it cut off phone and Internet service for most of Eastern Oregon. When Spring and Cogent had their little slap-fight last fall and Sprint cut off Cogent's peering, tens of thousands of customers were affected.

No need to play dumb- it is fairly simple to set up an open bandwidth-limited wireless network segment that is walled off from your private network. It may be that someday, encrypted wireless mesh is the only way to escape censorship and DRM and all the crud they keep trying to force on us.

Feb 18, 2009
11:17 AM EDT
Tutorial needed TC. Please remember to write slowly for us non nerds.

Feb 18, 2009
3:39 PM EDT
As a network professional, I must agree that "securing the network" is a waste of time.

Optimize, yes. Secure the network nodes and hosts? Not just yes, but HELL YES!

But to assume that malicious traffic can be prevented is insane.

Minimized, ok. Particular attacks stopped, yes. Anything more is sophistry.

Feb 19, 2009
2:30 AM EDT
@TC, I live with a 4 gig a month cap, and everything over that costs me money. Here comes his holiness and tells me that I need to open that up to any spammer or script kiddie who wants something to point back to someone elses IP. [censored by author] you very much saint stallman, and to anyone else who thinks that they are entitled to it because I payed for it.

But TC brings up a good point, we dont own the copper, servers, satellites, or fiber rings that all the data is traveling on. We pay to be allowed to access that hardware, the companies are well within their rights to say what kind of data, or what protocols are used on their hardware.

Or to put it another way, you own your car, but you do not own the road on which you drive it, and there are lots of things you can not do with your car on that road. The internet is not 'free' in any sense of the word that has any effective meaning, and a lot of people have problems wrapping their heads around that little fact.

Feb 19, 2009
3:41 AM EDT
Quoting:the companies are well within their rights to say what kind of data, or what protocols are used on their hardware.

Are they? Last time I checked they were selling internet access. They weren't just selling you just HTTP and e-mail. Internet access isn't internet access if half the ports and protocols are blocked. That's just another walled garden.

Luckily I have a fantastic ISP. They allow you to do anything and everything you want. By default they do block certain ports but they also tell you how to unblock them (which is just two clicks on their website). You can run any kind of service or protocol that you want. They encourage people to run their own mailserver (they even have a tutorial on their website) and give everyone static IP and IPv6 addresses.

They even allow security testing. Their Terms of Service states that you are allowed to try to hack into any and all systems run by XS4all. If you manage to get in, don't do any damage and tell them how you got in then you get 6 months of free internet. And they have incorporated the netiquette (ftp://ftp.ripe.net/rfc/rfc1855.txt) into their ToS as well. It's the perfect geek ISP :-)

Feb 19, 2009
10:44 AM EDT
> Are they?


However, ISPs have also discovered that they make more money (and reduce costs) by doing as little as possible in terms of interference with the data streams that their customers choose to utilize.

My ISP also blocks some ports, 80, 25, and the Windows equivalents of a torn condom in a San Fran bath-house (134-135 I think).

They charge more to unblock 80 and 25, expecting only "businesses" to want them. They also do not allow OUTGOING port 25 to anything except their SMTP remailer, which is kind of annoying but I try to look at it as, again, trying to put a band-aid on known Windows virus and spam attack vectors.

The setup is based upon people connecting their Windows machines directly to the modem. I can't say I blame them, but I'd like Sander's ISP's method of turning it off if I want to.

Sander still has, I think, the most geek friendly ISP I've ever heard of.

Feb 20, 2009
5:41 AM EDT
Read all about them here: http://www.xs4all.nl/en/

I just discovered that the also offer shell access to the mailserver so you can read your e-mail with mutt or pine from anywhere. Nice :-)

Feb 20, 2009
7:17 AM EDT
RMS is a socialist. I was once too.

I am against net neutrality and I agree that companies own their hardware. I also believe that they are subject to market forces, however filtered by government interference they may be, and thus have it in their interest not to annoy their users too much.

I do agree that the corporatocracy is the problem, but I don't think corporatocracy would be what it is if it weren't for government and people who believe in solving problems with government, INCLUDING RMS! RMS is advocating no change whatsoever. He is merely a yet another guy who wants to use laws to impose his own agenda. He is actually trying to do the exact thing he (rightfully) accuses corporations of doing. And it's not even a move towards more freedom as his ideas would stomp on property rights.

IMO, the solution is to just stop trying to control each other. Stop using government, abolish it and its legitimacy from your minds.

Feb 20, 2009
12:20 PM EDT
> the solution is to just stop trying to control each other. Stop using government, abolish it and its legitimacy from your minds.

I'm listening to the MP3 of last night's FreeTalkLive.com radio show, and reading this... aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh......

A sip of Thai tea, I'm in heaven. :^)

Feb 20, 2009
4:13 PM EDT
lol, that's awesome, Bob. :)

Edit: Btw, I am a FreeTalkLive amplifier. Great show!

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