I don't know why they didn't just switch to MATE!?
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| cmost Apr 17, 2013 5:18 PM EDT |
Fuduntu could have avoided this mess if the developers had implemented MATE instead of trying to hang onto the old, unmaintained Gnome 2.3x codebase. MATE is evolving nicely and its developers are keeping up with GTK3 changes and plans to compile MATE to support GTK3 apps. In the meantime, all one needs in MATE to run GTK3 apps (or Qt for that matter) is a compatible theme. Clearlooks is one that supports GTK2 and GTK3 right now. If Fuduntu had gone this route, it's core desktop functionality would have essentially remained the same but the underlying desktop would be ready for the future. It seems like a no brainer to me. |
| djohnston Apr 17, 2013 5:46 PM EDT |
@cmost, Maybe they will do just that. They are just end of lifing the current codebase. They plan to rebase on something else. Time will tell if any lessons were learned. |
| montezuma Apr 17, 2013 7:21 PM EDT |
Maybe fewt has a comment. He has been on Lxer in the past. |
| slacker_mike Apr 17, 2013 10:09 PM EDT |
There is an article out that states they are re-basing on openSUSE. No decision on what DE. |
| kikinovak Apr 18, 2013 5:54 AM EDT |
This should be a lesson to all the users of spinoff distributions out there. The new kid on the block may shine like the latest trend, but when it comes to matters of perennity, that's a different story. Better use the real thing: Slackware, Debian, RHEL, CentOS (the exception), Fedora, openSUSE, Arch or Gentoo. |
| CFWhitman Apr 18, 2013 11:50 AM EDT |
slacker_mike wrote:There is an article out that states they are re-basing on openSUSE. No decision on what DE. I say they should choose from among IceWM, Fluxbox, JWM, and Openbox :-) Seriously, though, I think I might stay away from the current upheaval surrounding Gnome and it's offshoots. If you want a full "desktop environment" there are always XFCE, KDE, RazorQT, LXDE, and Enlightenment around. It seems like you could find something you could live with. |
| caitlyn Apr 19, 2013 3:24 AM EDT |
The problem with MATE vs. GNOME 2 is that applets coded for GNOME 2 (and indeed, some apps) won't work with MATE without modification due to the changes in library names. You have to go through and modify the source for every affected app(let). No matter how you slice it, sticking with GNOME 2 or going with MATE are both painful for small distros with limited resources. |
| JaseP Apr 19, 2013 9:40 AM EDT |
Mate just didn't "have it" when I last tried it... Maybe it's gotten better. But, I've switched (back) to KDE... and am happier for it. Overhead be damned. I like my translucent menus ans widgets,... and it's still snappier than anything from Redmond... |
| jdixon Apr 19, 2013 9:51 AM EDT |
> ... and it's still snappier than anything from Redmond... Now, now. I doubt it's that much or any snappier than Win98SE on the same machine. :) Anything currently supported, I'll grant. But talk about damning with faint praise. |
| JaseP Apr 19, 2013 9:54 AM EDT |
Win98SE?!?! Sure I can get KDE to compete with that!!!... I just have to turn off every bell and whistle, at which point it'll LOOK as BAD as Win98SE... |
| jdixon Apr 19, 2013 10:47 AM EDT |
> ...at which point it'll LOOK as BAD as Win98SE... Of course, but you did say "snappier than anything from Redmond". I could have used Windows 3.1 as my example. :) |
| CFWhitman Apr 19, 2013 1:31 PM EDT |
JaseP wrote:Win98SE?!?! Sure I can get KDE to compete with that!!!... I just have to turn off every bell and whistle, at which point it'll LOOK as BAD as Win98SE... Actually, no, it still won't look as bad. It's funny, but you tend to forget how bad old interfaces looked until you see them again. People look at IceWM or JWM and think, 'that looks like Win95,' and in a way they're right, but if you actually bring up Win95 somewhere, you see all the work that has gone into subtle things like color gradients, image scaling, and font smoothing, and what a difference it makes. |
| Koriel Apr 21, 2013 3:49 PM EDT |
@CFWhitman
You got that right I have just spent a whole 2 days using Windows NT fixing up a legacy app for a company and quite frankly I was shocked to find out how bad it was, seems my memory had managed to forget how bad it used to be probably in attempt to protect my sanity. |
| caitlyn Apr 24, 2013 10:17 PM EDT |
kiknovak: SUSE started as a spinoff of Slackware with rpm. Springdale Linux (formerly PUIAS) and Scientific Linux have both been around longer than CentOS, though I honestly don't think you can go wrong with any of the Red Hat clones. VectorLinux has been around for 14 years now. My point is that a spinoff isn't necessarily a bad thing. It depends on the developers and how large a community develops around a given distro. |
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