Colour me skeptic

Story: 5 pillars of Ubuntu Touch successTotal Replies: 7
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Jul 15, 2013
3:41 AM EDT
Very nice to see Canonical engaging with developers, with carriers, but where are the OEM's? You can have a hot phone platform, but that means diddly squat if there are no devices on the retail shelves to be had. Where are the OEM's?

Jul 15, 2013
5:39 AM EDT
I really want a Ubuntu phone and a Ubuntu tablet, pre-installed, from the shelf, with root access. There should be at least one OEM to venture with Canonical in this business, a wishful thinking I'm aware, but we have seen interest from major players, it's quite different from no interest at all.

Jul 15, 2013
12:03 PM EDT
There is interest alright, but all groups who don't do hardware. Ubuntu Touch is a bit worthless if there are no handsets that run it officially. Repurposing Nexus phones is not a viable longterm strategy. Heck, even Mozilla already has OEM's for their phone OS.

Jul 16, 2013
11:25 AM EDT
Yeah I hate to say this but Shuttleworth is beginning to look Ballmerish. Lots of throwing sh** against the wall and little concrete to show for it.

Get a grip Mark and find a market niche. I thought you knew about ruthless market forces.....The mobile market is beginning to look crowded what with Android, iOS, Windows phone etc etc. Why is Ubuntu playing catch up to the big boys here? Ubuntu (well really Debian and Linux) is a great product. Find the right hardware platform for it. My suggestion (which is counterintuitive) is to go for M$'s remaining market i.e. desktops and small business platforms.

Jul 16, 2013
1:49 PM EDT
Quoting:The mobile market is beginning to look crowded what with Android, iOS, Windows phone etc etc.

Mobile devices is all what users want these days, in spite of their limited capabilities and missing features.

What Mark is trying to do ahead of everyone else, is to bring most of, if not all, Linux capabilities and applications to run on Mobile Devices.

This idea started with the KDE Team developing an interface that adjusts automatically to the mode of the device used at the time. They have been successful with that and now they are taking it to a new level.

The KDE Team is taking the long route by making sure to build a solid software foundation and creating their own designed fully open hardware. The core of this software will be common libraries and code to be used by various hardware devices be it desktops, Laptops, Netbooks, Tablets, and phones.

Mark started with adjusting the desktop interface to make it one that fits all. He is finding out that that alone will not cut it. So he is going back to basics and trying to use his in-house controlled display manager (Mir) and GUI (Unity) and it is turning out to be like opening a can of worms. Reinventing the wheel sort of. That is why it is taking so long.

Although the KDE team approach is taking very long and wont be ready or released first. I believe the approach that KDE team is taking will eventually win.


Jul 16, 2013
2:58 PM EDT
KDE Team v/s Canonical : these are not comparable entities. Canonical is out for business, $ € £..., good, very good . They are promoting software built on top of Linux, on every device where consumer software runs. Excellent. I can't understand why Linux guys spit on Mark, he's the only guy investing his personal money in Linux software for the general consumer. Wouldn't it be great if you could just buy a tablet being assured you'll be able to run your prefered OS, just out of the box ? The KDE Team : they did an initial strategic error with the Vivaldi/Spark, being too vocal about it while they did not master the hardware. They learned and have started to design the hardware. At one point, they'll face the same problem as Canonical : get OEMs on board ! On the software side, it seems they have realized that Plasma Active is too huge for single core CPU with 1 GB RAM. One title on LXer some months ago seemed to indicate that they started a trimmed down version of KDE for mobile devices. (Let there be no confusion : I have always been a KDE fan for more than 10 years).

The KDE Team will win ? I doubt it.

Jul 16, 2013
4:41 PM EDT
Quoting:KDE Team v/s Canonical : these are not comparable entities. Canonical is out for business,...

I am not comparing entities, I was comparing products.

Quoting:I can't understand why Linux guys spit on Mark,...

I am not spitting in anyone's face, not even Mark. On the contrary, even though I dislike Unity and multiple of the things Mark pursued, I always defended Unity and the actions he took and saw best to promote Canonical business. It is his money and he can do whatever he pleases with it. In the process, he has and indirectly continue to promote FOSS. By the way, Kubuntu is my only Distro and I happen to believe and always said that, over all, Ubuntu is the best distro around. May be it would help reading many of my posts on LXer.

Quoting:Wouldn't it be great if you could just buy a tablet being assured you'll be able to run your preferred OS, just out of the box ?...

I always advocated and encouraged doing that. Read many of my previous posts about this subject. That is why I haven't purchased a tablet yet waiting for Vivaldi to be released. I like KDE and prefer the approach the team is taking in optimizing the core software (libraries & code).

Quoting:The KDE Team : they did an initial strategic error with the Vivaldi/Spark, being too vocal about it while they did not master the hardware....

Being vocal? they needed the support from the community, financially and technically, how else could they have been able to start a new endeavour without publicity in the community. If they haven't talked about it enough, Mark probably wouldn't have pursued this option which he is trying to reach ahead of KDE. Besides, if they haven't talked about is enough, they would get slammed for being isolationist and don't want the community's feedback. Seems like "dammed if you do and dammed if you don't".

True, they expected cooperation from hardware suppliers but for some reason some how those suppliers backed out. That is when they had to go it alone and create their own hardware design to make sure of true openness. It is taking them longer to accomplish but it will pay off. Canonical hasn't been able to persuade OEM to adopt K/Ubuntu desktop on a large scale and I want to see how it is going be able to persuade OEM of mobile devices. I always said Canonical needs to have its own hardware because it is the only way it is going to make any progress.

Quoting:The KDE Team will win ? I doubt it.

I wouldn't bet against any entity of the community, it might take some time, but it will happen.


Jul 17, 2013
9:51 AM EDT
*** I can't understand why Linux guys spit on Mark ***

I don't spit on Mark. Good for him he dared to undertake what he did. That said, I don't think that what Mark created is all that wonderful anymore. After the "design" push (Better than Mac OS X, buttons on the left, Unity), we have been getting a lot of (paraphrasing it) "You don't get to decide, you get what we give you and you will d*mn well like it. If not, there is the door and it be nice if you would remain silent throughout, because we don't appreciate your criticisms."

Only if you drink the Ubuntu Koolaid unconditionally you have a chance of rising up to a level where you are heard. Lowly peons just get to consume. This is also in line with the "Tada" reveals. Useless PR glitz to dazzle the populace.

If that is the way Canonical wants to conduct their business, they are free to do so. It just means I've stricken them off the list of FOSS software that is worthwhile to use and support. There have been too much redefinitions of community (now solely meaning anyone with a vested interest in Ubuntu), openness (we develop behind closed doors, but release it under a FOSS license, why do you criticise?) and too much in-house development, in what can only be seen as an attempt to gain full control over the Ubuntu stack. Let's not get started on the sleezy affiliate revenue mooching.

I seriously doubt that corporate vehicle Ubuntu will usher in the FOSS utopia that most think it will bring about. Follow them if you want, but don't come knocking when it turns out to be just another gilded cage. A useful FOSS OS needs a tad more than just a FOSS license.

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