Brave New World
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| Author | Content |
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| dotmatrix Mar 09, 2017 8:22 PM EDT |
Well... bye-bye plugins = bye-bye FF. I was holding on mostly out of lazy attachment to my plugin choices. Now that's over, I can browse Bravely. https://www.brave.com/ |
| seatex Mar 09, 2017 11:16 PM EDT |
Oh, but you don't need any plugins now that web assembly scripts will run in your browser. It's much safer for you this way, Mozilla told me so. And besides, what could go wrong with web assembly scripts? |
| mbaehrlxer Mar 10, 2017 1:18 AM EDT |
won't those webassembly applications have the same limitations as javascript, as opposed to plugins which can control the whole browser? @dotmatrix: i have been trying brave a while ago (and i still have it installed) but i was kinda missing some FF features in the developer tools. |
| seatex Mar 10, 2017 7:25 AM EDT |
Quoting:won't those webassembly applications have the same limitations as javascript, as opposed to plugins which can control the whole browser? That is my concern. And yes, I am missing my plugins as well, dotmatrix, But "web assembly" does sound more modern and trendy than Java, so Mozilla sees no potential for problems. |
| dotmatrix Mar 10, 2017 9:00 AM EDT |
@eMBee: >missing some FF features in the developer tools. I'm having trouble trying to figure out how to add my x509 client certs... Things I like so far:
Things I don't like or don't know how to do yet:
**** On wasm: I don't have a problem with new languages or new ways of doing things. But, if they are going to simply abandon the old way... then I might as well just transition to a new browser, since that's what FF is going to be anyway. |
| jdixon Mar 10, 2017 9:49 AM EDT |
You know, there are days I consider simply using Mosaic and being done with it. A quick search reveals a modern modified version called Mosaic-ck is available for Slackware. I think i"ll give it a try. The other bare bones alternative seems to be dillo. |
| dotmatrix Mar 10, 2017 10:39 AM EDT |
>The other bare bones alternative seems to be dillo. I'm concerned with trackers and ads for the most part. Trackers are an obvious threat to one's anonymity. Ad networks are all infected with malware. So, Brave's Bitcoin wallet micropayment system is very attractive to me. I think LXer has been running ad free for about year now... I'm not sure if there is a plan to enable micropayments through Brave's system, but I'm definitely in for that plan. |
| jdixon Mar 10, 2017 12:38 PM EDT |
> I'm not sure if there is a plan to enable micropayments through Brave's system, but I'm definitely in for that plan. My problem with it is that I simply don't have even $5/month to spare on things like that at the moment, which is their default minimum. :( From their FAQ: 9. Where does my money go if publishers are not part of this program yet? The contributions for each user, upon reconciliation, is sent to a bitcoin escrow wallet which is securely managed by Brave Software, Inc. When contributions for an individual publisher are equal to about $100.00 USD (in BTC, of course), an email is sent to both the webmaster of the site and the registered domain owner, and the verification process begins. 21. What happens to my contributions to a site that never verifies their wallet? After 3 attempts to initiate the verification process with the site owner, the escrow funds for that site will expire after an additional 180 days. At the time of expiration, the money will be redistributed to all sites that have finished the verification process using the combined total Brave user-assigned percentages over the same payment period. |
| dotmatrix Mar 10, 2017 12:47 PM EDT |
>My problem with it is that I simply don't have even $5/month to spare on things like that at the moment, which is their default minimum. My understanding is: The Bitcoin wallet payment system is voluntary. The default settings have the wallet disabled. So, similar to ad support web sites, there will be a paying group and a non-paying group. |
| CFWhitman Mar 10, 2017 2:33 PM EDT |
Were any of you actually using any plugins other than Flash? I certainly haven't been using any in Linux for ages. I suppose in Windows someone might have Silverlight or Adobe installed. Silverlight might have been installed in my Windows 7 VM at work. Really, though: Silverlight is Windows only. Firefox has native PDF viewing support, so Adobe isn't really necessary even in Windows. Java has been disabled by default for a while, and I honestly can't remember the last time I used Java in the Web browser. What other NPAPI plugins exist? Remember that this is only NPAPI plugins, not extensions, not add-ons. They are still there. There are even a couple of things listed in plugins other than Flash that are still there on my Windows VM, one installed by Mozilla (h264 playback) and the other by Google (Widevine for protected video like Netflix), which I'm guessing are not NPAPI based somehow. |
| dotmatrix Mar 10, 2017 3:37 PM EDT |
I use webpg very frequently. Webpg allows one to easily add PGP signatures to text box submissions. I also frequently use Disconnect which blocks tracking via things like Facebook's 'Like' button. I imagine, but am not sure yet, that Brave's tracker blocker performs this action. And then there's the DNSSEC plugin which allows me to ensure that certain domains are actually those they claim to be... and the records have not been tampered with... |
| CFWhitman Mar 10, 2017 4:04 PM EDT |
Webpg is an extension, and Disconnect and DNSSEC are add-ons. None of those are NPAPI plugins, so they will not be affected. |
| dotmatrix Mar 10, 2017 4:46 PM EDT |
I was under the impression that webpg uses a NPAPI plugin to connect to gpg. So... I guess webpg would need to be re-written to connect via a wasm application? |
| CFWhitman Mar 10, 2017 5:39 PM EDT |
Yes, it looks like webpg uses an NPAPI plugin for supporting the extension, so it is affected (I hadn't realized that; it's not apparent from their Mozilla add-ons page). I'm not sure what the best way for them to update it would be. |
| jdixon Mar 10, 2017 6:21 PM EDT |
> My understanding is: The Bitcoin wallet payment system is voluntary. It is, but if you enable payments it wants $5/month. I could maybe arrange for $1/month. If I could manage $5/month it would be going to my current GirlsXBattle addiction. |
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