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SCO and IBM Stipulate on Going Forward with Utah Litigation -- It's Game On ~ pj |
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Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 03:53 PM EST
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SCO and IBM have reached a stipulation [PDF] on how to go forward on reactivating the Utah litigation, and SCO has filed it in Bankruptcy Court in Delaware. Assuming it's signed by the judge, the Hon. Kevin Gross, in time for the
April 23rd hearing now scheduled in Utah District Court in Salt Lake City before the Hon. Dee Benson on SCO's laughable
motion to let only *it* go ahead and IBM not, I'd say it's game on. They've agreed IBM can proceed with its defenses and counterclaims. It was IBM that suggested in its opposition to SCO's motion that the best way forward was to ask the Bankruptcy Court to lift the stay on *both* parties, which is what the stipulation agrees to. Update: The judge in Bankruptcy Court in Delaware has already signed the order approving the stipulation.
Here's the meat of the stipulation about going forward in SCO v. IBM, emphasis added:
The automatic stay imposed under section 362 of the Bankruptcy Code is
modified to permit IBM (a) to defend the Utah Action and prosecute its
Counterclaims against SCO and (b) to offset any judgment against it
against any claim it may have against SCO; however, (i) the effect of
clause (b) of this paragraph is limited solely to relief from the
automatic stay; SCO shall preserve any and all defenses to setoff of any
such claims that it may have, and all of IBM’s claims to a right of
setoff shall be preserved, and (ii) IBM shall not seek to enforce
against SCO any judgment obtained in the Utah Action, except as provided
in this Stipulation....
IBM shall not oppose the reopening of the Utah Action. However, all of
IBM’s other objections to, and all of SCO’s arguments in support of, all
other relief sought in the Motion to Reopen the Case are preserved, and
nothing in this Stipulation shall be construed as supporting or waiving
any such other objection or argument. And
here's the docket entry on the stipulation:
02/16/2012 - 1395 -
Certification of Counsel Regarding Stipulation and Order Modifying the
Automatic Stay Filed by Edward N. Cahn, Chapter 11 Trustee for The SCO
Group, Inc., et al.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A)
(Tarr, Stanley) (Entered: 02/16/2012) Here's the order:
02/16/2012 - 1396 - Order
Granting Stipulation and Order Modifying The Automatic Stay (related
document(s)1395) Order Signed on 2/16/2012. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 1) (SB)
(Entered: 02/16/2012)
SCO is waving the white flag on its crazy idea to let only SCO go forward. Judge Gross hasn't shown much interest in forcing SCO to pay anybody except its lawyers. But this has never, in my view, been about money for IBM. They want their good name unsullied by these people. And can you blame them?
Here's what else IBM suggested in its opposition to SCO's motion that didn't happen in the stipulation, so it's what will likely be raised in Utah next: 39. In summary, IBM supports the expeditious resolution of this case. But the best way to bring that about is not to proceed piecemeal as to three of SCO' s claims, especially where, as here, those claims are intimately related to IBM's counterclaims, which remain stayed due to SCO's bankruptcy filing, and are barred by the Novell Judgment. We respectfully submit that the most sensible way to proceed here is for the Court to enter an order (i) providing that this case shall be reopened within 5 days of the filing of a notice (by any party) that the stay of IBM's counterclaims has been lifted, which SCO should be able to accomplish expeditiously; (ii) stating that the claims that SCO concedes are foreclosed by the Novell Judgment will be dismissed when the case is reopened; (iii) directing that, within 45 days of the reopening of the case, any party may make a motion for summary judgment addressing the impact of the Novell Judgment on all remaining claims; and (iv) ordering the parties jointly to submit, within 10 days of the entry of an order of the Court determining the impact of the Novell Judgment, a proposed scheduling order to govern the balance of the case. From SCO's point of view, it's all about Project Monterey. But IBM has a lot more it would like to talk about. Now it can. Well. On paper it's all about Project Monterey for SCO. But in reality, as far as I can tell, it's all about avoiding having to pay the piper for all the things SCO did.
Of course, the Bankruptcy Court keeps its thumb on the ultimate money, if the outcome is against SCO, but that's unavoidable in that Delaware is apparently going to let SCO stay in Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection as long as it takes to get the litigation resolved. Besides, SCO doesn't have any money. They tossed it all to the winds, and lawyers and other professionals got it. In their December monthly operating report, filed in bankruptcy court, they say TSG has almost no assets left and debts up over their head:
02/10/2012 - 1393 -
Debtor-In-Possession Monthly Operating Report for Filing Period as of
12/31/11 (In re TSG Group, Inc. (f/k/a The SCO Group, Inc.), et al.)
Filed by TSG Group, Inc. (f/k/a The SCO Group, Inc.), et al.. (Tarr,
Stanley) (Entered: 02/10/2012)
02/10/2012 - 1394 -
Debtor-In-Possession Monthly Operating Report for Filing Period as of
12/31/11 (In re TSG Operations, Inc. (f/k/a SCO Operations, Inc.), et
al.; Case No. 07-11338) Filed by TSG Group, Inc. (f/k/a The SCO Group,
Inc.), et al.. (Tarr, Stanley) (Entered: 02/10/2012)
The MOR for TSG shows total assets as $0 (yes, that's "zero"), down from $1,326,293 on petition date, and total liabilities
of $1,119,238, up from $418,965 on petition date.
The MOR for TSG Operations shows total assets as $1,515,129, down from
$15,493,080 on petition date, and total liabilities of $9,739,295, up
from $4,311,640 on petition date. Go SCO! It was not bankrupt when it entered bankruptcy protection, but it surely is now.
I know some of you have wondered why SCO never entered Ch. 7. Maybe to keep Delaware control on the money outcome? You think? A lot can happen between now and April 23rd, so if you were planning to attend, and I know some of you were, note that you need to check in with Groklaw and/or the court before you set out that day to make sure it's still on. There are still the issues IBM raised about further motion practice, so the hearing may still go forward on that and any other issues. For those who can't even remember this motion, here's where you can go to refresh your memory: If you read all three, you'll see the playbook of what each side hopes the litigation will be about and why each thinks it's right. Another Caldera Press Releas from 1996
While we are waiting, I found another 1996 Caldera press release I wanted to add to our collection, mainly for historians, because Caldera made some acquisitions that year to help them meld UNIX and Linux together to make Caldera OpenLinux. And I have the press release where Caldera announced the first product.
One reason I wanted to stop doing Groklaw on a daily basis was so I could sort through all the materials I'd saved over the years, to make sure our record of this saga was as complete as I could make it. In the early days, I didn't know as much technically as I do now, and while I had saved a lot of things, I didn't necessarily know at the time what it meant, so I wanted to look through it all and see if I'd missed anything.
We had earlier noted a Caldera press release from May 23, 1996. And it's still online on alt.os.linux.caldera, thanks to Google, which has preserved the old archives. Thank you, Google. In that press release, Caldera was announcing that it was acquiring some technologies that it hoped to use to achieve X/Open Unix certification for the version of Linux it would be developing, called Caldera OpenLinux. Here's the paragraph that especially caught my eye at the time, emphasis added: Caldera has also retained the UNIX systems and Linux
expertise of engineers from Linux Support Team (LST) of
Erlangen, Germany, who will spend the next few months
integrating technologies from Lasermoon, Caldera's existing
operating system, additional Single UNIX Specification APIs and
Internet technologies, and LST's Linux 2.2 operating system,
based on Linux 2.0 source code from the Internet. The resulting
version of the Linux OS will be called Caldera Open Linux. It
will be POSIX.1 (FIPS 151-2) certified, localized and fully
compatible with Caldera's existing products. Now did you notice the Unix and Linux guys working together -- no Chinese wall -- to make it all work together, UNIX and Linux?
Oh, and remember SCO alleging that Linux was just a toy until IBM got involved? That's part of its allegations against IBM in its complaint. Read the press release for the truth. It says Linux was second to Sun in World Wide Web servers, with 9% of that market in *1995*, half a decade before SCO claims IBM got into the picture. Mr. Sparks: Linux technologies developed by the Internet
community have secured market share and application
development that rivals the best of established computer industry
vendors.
They followed through and later that year, on October 9th, they
announced the availability of Caldera Open Linux, and I'll show you the full press release on that in a second, but look at this ironic bit:
Caldera, Inc. designs, develops and markets a line of full-featured,
economical system software for the Internet by the Internet, providing
stable, high-quality alternatives to NT, Sun Solaris, and SCO UNIX.
Ah, the sweet smell of truth. Alternatives. Caldera *wanted* people to switch from SCO UNIX to Linux, and it worked hard to make it happen. Now they want to sue IBM because it did happen. If you recall, SCO told the IBM judge back in 2007 the following:19. Contrary to IBM assertions at paragraph 50 of the Motion, and elsewhere, SCO did not encourage its partners or its customers to use or support Linux instead of Unix. Rather, SCO consistently positioned Linux as a complementary solution to UNIX, and something that could be used in addition to (not in place of) UNIX. That's SCO pretending it was Santa Cruz Operation, not Caldera, but that's just SCO's inner voices. The point is, IBM didn't interfere with SCO's UNIX business by encouraging Linux adoption. Caldera did that. So TSG should sue itself. And speaking of truth, note this paragraph:Certification
Currently, Caldera is working with the Linux community in making COL
compliant and certified with industry standards like POSIX.1
(FIPS 151-2), Single UNIX Specification APIs and X-Open branding.
These additions will be in future releases of COL stratified products
when the enhancements have been integrated by key Linux developers.
All of the work for standards compliance will be freely contributed
back to the Linux community. First they induce you. Then they sue you.
Not exactly. They got a new CEO in 2002 and a new business plan. Here's the full press release, for history:
CALDERA ANNOUNCES NEW CALDERA OPENLINUX (COL)
PLATFORM AND THREE-TIER PRODUCT STRATEGY
New Technology and Stratified Products to Ship in 4th
Quarter 1996 and Throughout 1997
Provo, UT October 9, 1996 Caldera Inc. today announced the
development and implementation of Caldera OpenLinux (COL),
a new 32-bit, Linux 2.x-based platform for extending local
area networks (LANs) to the home, branch office, remote user,
Inter/intranet and embedded systems. To extend the LANs in an
economical and easily managed way, COL technology will be offered
in three product stratifications; base, workstation and server.
Caldera the leader in commercial Linux-based system software
debuted COL this week at UNIX Expo in New York.
"Caldera first met customer demand for commercial Linux solutions
by combining Linux technologies with enterprise standards like NetWare
and Netscape Navigator ," said Ransom Love, vice president of
marketing and sales for Caldera. "From the best of these and other
technologies have evolved the Caldera OpenLinux platform and stratified
products. Caldera product offerings will now be based on the COL
platform with complete stratified solutions for workgroup and
network/server environments."
The secure, peer-to-peer COL platform first evolved from the
synthesis of Caldera's existing Linux-based technologies and
those acquired from Lasermoon of Wickham, England, pioneers of
the Linux migration towards X/Open standards and other certifications.
The efforts of the Linux System Technologies (LST) of Erlangen,
Germany, completed the evolution of COL by integrating the Caldera
and Lasermoon technologies with additional Internet technologies
and LST's Linux 2.x-based products. COL is the official upgrade
path for Lasermoon customers.
Certification
Currently, Caldera is working with the Linux community in making COL
compliant and certified with industry standards like POSIX.1
(FIPS 151-2), Single UNIX Specification APIs and X-Open branding.
These additions will be in future releases of COL stratified products
when the enhancements have been integrated by key Linux developers.
All of the work for standards compliance will be freely contributed
back to the Linux community.
Languages
Caldera is committed to providing products for the global Linux
market. COL stratified products will ship with an installation
localized into English and German. Additional components of the
product will be localized into English, French, German and Spanish.
Caldera also plans product localization for the Japanese and
Chinese markets.
COL base
The COL base product includes the following:
- Linux 2.x (multi-tasking, multi-user, 32-bit kernel with firewall
facilities and comprehensive system utilities open source
code included on CD-ROM)
- LookingGlass (graphical user interface with icon bar, drag and
drop, comprehensive file typing and user-defined configuration, etc.)
- Netscape Navigator 2.02 (the widely popular client software
for enterprise networks and the Internet)
- X-Inside 1.3 (accelerated X-Window system with more than 400
graphical drivers)
- CrispLite (powerful, graphical text editor)
- Caldera Solutions CD (fee-based, commercial, Linux-based software
applications from Caldera and other industry leaders)
...and other technologies
The COL base product provides Linux users and first time UNIX buyers
with a comprehensive UNIX system that can run on Intel-based PCs
including laptops with 16 MB of RAM. COL will be made available to
hardware and software OEMs, Channel Partners and be the industry-
standard platform for ISVs porting applications to Linux.
The Caldera Solutions CD allows resellers and Linux users to purchase
and install from the CD-ROM Linux-based software applications to
facilitate the creation of customized solutions.
COL workstation
Plans for the COL workstation product include:
- COL base product (Linux 2.x, LookingGlass, X-Inside 1.3 and
CrispLite, etc.)
- Netscape Navigator 3.0 Gold (Java , news reader and authoring tools)
- NetWare Client and NetWare Administration Enhancements
(Increased and enhanced NDS, bindery and print
administration utility. Enhanced GUI desktop utilities, tightly
integrated with the Looking Glass desktop.)
- Market-leading, commercial, secure, web server (a complete
solution for creating and managing web sites plus, the
development and deployment of live, network-centric, media-rich
applications for the Inter/intranet)
- Caldera Solutions CD
...and other technologies
COL workstation is the Inter/intranet workstation solution providing
client and server capabilities for NetWare, UNIX and Windows NT
in conjunction with full Inter/intranet, authoring, publishing and
browsing capabilities. All services on the local network may be
extended down-the-hall, to-the-home or around the world across a
high-speed connection by simply adding a frame relay or ISDN commodity
card to Intel-based PCs. COL workstation is the second-generation
solution for Caldera Network Desktop (CND) customers and replaces CND.
COL server
- COL workstation product (Linux 2.x, Netscape Navigator 3.0 Gold,
NetWare Client Enhancements, commercial, secure, web server etc.)
- Novell Cross Platform Services (NCPS) (includes license for
Novell Directory Services (NDS) and five-user NetWare File
and Print )
- Caldera Solutions CD
- Novell GroupWise (Caldera has contracted to include a five-user license)
...and other technologies
The COL server is designed for the workgroup and small office environments
that need to fully utilize all systems. The COL server combines a
complete applications server with all necessary Inter/intranet
technologies enabling an organization to publish and interoperate with
the Internet in a secure fashion. The COL server complements all
NetWare, UNIX and Windows NT environments.
Future Development and Internet/Linux Community Funding
Caldera will continue to collaborate with developers in the Internet
and Linux communities to develop and refine technologies that add the
specific functionality requested by Caldera's customers. In addition,
Caldera will provide a percentage of net revenues from COL-based
products back to the Internet and Linux communities through funding
for future technology development.
Customer Support
Support for the COL base product will be Internet-based, using
the WWW and FTP. In addition to the Internet-based support, support
for the workstation and server products will include free thirty-day
installation support as well as fee-based, per incident support calls.
Pricing
The COL base product is scheduled to ship in November, 1996 for a
suggested retail price of $59 US. The COL workstation product will
ship for a suggested retail price of less than $300 US. The COL
server product will ship for a suggested retail price of less than $1500 US.
Promotions and Upgrades
Until December 31, 1996, current registered CND users and those who
purchase and register CND between now and December 31, or while
supplies last, may purchase COL workstation for $59 US.
The COL base product is not an upgrade to CND. Users of the COL
base product will be provided an upgrade to both COL workstation and
COL server when these products ship.
Until December 31, 1996, current users of any Linux operating system
(WGS LinuxPro, Red Hat, Slackware, Yggdrasil Plug and Play Linux,
etc.) may upgrade to the COL base product for $45 US. Proof of usage
may be presented to any Caldera Channel Partner or Caldera, Inc.
Caldera, Inc. designs, develops and markets a line of full-featured,
economical system software for the Internet by the Internet, providing
stable, high-quality alternatives to NT, Sun Solaris, and SCO UNIX.
Caldera uses it own technological and marketing resources to leverage
technologies including the Linux operating system created by
independent developers worldwide. Visit the Caldera web site
at http://www.caldera.com/.
###
Caldera is a registered trademark; and Caldera OpenLinux, Caldera
Network Desktop, Caldera Solutions CD and Caldera OpenDOS are
trademarks of Caldera, Inc. UNIX is a registered trademark, in
the United States and other countries, licensed exclusively through
X/OPEN Company Limited. Netscape Communications, the Netscape
Communications logo, Netscape and Netscape Navigator are trademarks
of Netscape Communications Corporation. All other products, services,
companies and publications are trademarks or registered trademarks
of their respective owners.
Caldera Press Contacts:
Lyle Ball
lyle.b...@caldera.com
Tel: [redacted]
Nancy Pomeroy
na...@caldera.com
Tel: [redacted]
Here's the entire press release, the one dated May 23, 1996 and published on alt.os.linux.caldera on May 26, 1996, posted by Rick Lindsay, that I want to include in our records, just in case. It's been eye-opening to see how much of the SCO saga is no longer where it was on the Internet, and how much has simply disappeared. That's why we do Groklaw:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 23, 1996
CALDERA OPEN LINUX PRODUCT TO OBTAIN
POSIX AND FIPS CERTIFICATIONS, AND THE
X/OPEN BRAND FOR UNIX 95 AND XPG4 BASE 95
Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) and localization
added to Caldera's product line
LINUX KONGRESS, BERLIN, Germany May 23,
1996 - Caldera, Inc. today announced that it has acquired
additional key Linux technologies and engineers, enabling the
company to achieve the X/Open brand for UNIX 95 and other
certifications for its next version of the Linux operating system,
Caldera Open Linux, upon which Caldera will base its product
line beginning this Fall. Caldera believes the X/Open brand and
other certifications are the next steps forward in providing the
corporate and government markets with proven Linux
technologies and products, which have gained substantial market
share among the Internet and development communities during the
past several years. Caldera also today announced plans to add
LDAP technologies to Caldera's product line.
"By developing and publishing source code over the
Internet, Caldera and the Linux community are changing the way
that an X/Open branded UNIX 95 operating system is developed
and distributed," said Bryan Sparks, President and CEO of
Caldera, Inc. "Linux technologies developed by the Internet
community have secured market share and application
development that rivals the best of established computer industry
vendors. Caldera development and infrastructure efforts will now
take Linux technologies and products into companies,
governments and other organizations that demand that software
undergo rigid standards testing and certifications."
Caldera has acquired additional Linux technologies from
Lasermoon of Wickham, England. Lasermoon pioneered Linux's
migration towards X/Open standards and other certifications, and
held the necessary test suites and membership in The Open
Group, the leading consortium for the advancement of open
systems. Ian Nandhra, one of Lasermoon's co-founders, is now
Caldera's Director of Product Certification.
Caldera has also retained the UNIX systems and Linux
expertise of engineers from Linux Support Team (LST) of
Erlangen, Germany, who will spend the next few months
integrating technologies from Lasermoon, Caldera's existing
operating system, additional Single UNIX Specification APIs and
Internet technologies, and LST's Linux 2.2 operating system,
based on Linux 2.0 source code from the Internet. The resulting
version of the Linux OS will be called Caldera Open Linux. It
will be POSIX.1 (FIPS 151-2) certified, localized and fully
compatible with Caldera's existing products.
Caldera Open Linux, scheduled for release in Q3 1996,
will be published freely with full source code via the Internet to
individuals and organizations seeking stable, UNIX systems
solutions. Caldera plans to achieve: POSIX.1 (FIPS 151-2) in
Q3 1996; XPG4 Base 95 (POSIX.2, FIPS 186) by Q4 1996; and
X/Open brand for UNIX 95 based on the Single UNIX
Specification (formerly known as SPEC 1170) during 1997.
"The Open Group is very pleased that Caldera has chosen
to obtain the X/Open brand for UNIX 95 for its version of the
Linux operating system," said Graham Bird, Director of Branding
for the Open Group.
"Once Caldera Open Linux achieves the X/Open brand, it will be
qualified to bid business in the open systems market the value of
which exceeds $16 billion in procurement of X/Open branded
products alone."
Ransom Love, Vice President of Marketing and Sales for
Caldera, added,"Our customers are pleased with the capabilities of
Caldera's first product, the Caldera Network Desktop, and are now
asking us to provide the X/Open brand, localization, and
additional technologies. Caldera Open Linux will provide this
additional functionality and certification capabilities that no
existing Linux OS version can provide."
Caldera made this announcement from Linux Kongress in
Berlin, Germany, where the core of Linux developers and vendors
worldwide meet each year to discuss accomplishments and future
plans for Linux technologies. At Linux Kongress, Caldera planned
to meet with key Linux developers and vendors to discuss how
Caldera can best meet the needs of the Internet community, Linux
developers and enthusiasts, and the commercial computer industry
market all of which are seeking to lower computing costs while
increasing the functionality and availability of customizable
software systems.
Caldera will collaborate with developers in the Internet
and Linux communities to develop and refine technologies that
add specific functionality that Caldera's customers are requesting.
In addition to publishing the source code for Caldera Open Linux,
Caldera will provide a significant percentage of net revenues from
the product back to the Internet and Linux communities through
funding for future technology development.
Caldera is also collaborating with mainstream industry
software vendors (ISVs) who are porting their products to
Caldera's platform. Caldera and its partners are delivering
products that provide Internet and UNIX systems capabilities at
commodity pricing.
LDAP
Caldera also today announced plans to release Lightweight
Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) services and incorporate
LDAP into Caldera's product line this Fall. LDAP creates a
standard way for Internet clients, Web servers and applications to
access directory listings of thousands of Internet users.
"Caldera supports LDAP as a proposed open standard for
directory services on the Internet," said Sparks. "LDAP will
enable Caldera's customers to access online directory services via
the TCP/IP network protocol."
Caldera Europe
Currently, Caldera's European business is handled by
LunetIX based in Berlin, Germany. This Fall, Caldera will create
Caldera Europe, comprised of employees from both LunetIX and
LST. European customers and resellers seeking additional
information about Caldera should contact LunetIX in Berlin at
telephone number +49-30-623-5787 or contact Caldera's Provo,
Utah-based headquarters.
The Caldera Linux Operating System
Caldera's mission includes creating the products, alliances,
VAR channel, ISV channel, technical support programs and
corporate accountability necessary for an emerging technology to
obtain widespread implementation in the business environment.
Using Linux technologies, Caldera has a solid start. Mirai, a
Chicago-based consulting company, polled Webmasters worldwide
in 1995 and found that nine percent of World Wide Web servers
were running on the Linux operating system
(http://www.mirai.com/survey). This places Linux second only to
Sun technologies as a UNIX systems Web server platform.
Caldera has created a solid foundation on which third
party developers can successfully design, develop, distribute or
employ services that meet the needs of the expanding market with
low product costs for consumers.
Caldera, Inc., a privately held company established in
1994, empowers the Internet community, developers, OEMs,
channel partners, ISVs, industry partners, consultants and end-
users to collaborate, innovate, build and deliver meaningful
computing alternatives based on Linux to the business community.
Caldera is at http://www.caldera.com/ or (801) 229-1675. For
orders and information call (800) 850-7779 in the United States or
(801) 269-7012 Internationally.
###
Caldera is a registered trademark; and Network Desktop, Caldera Internet
Office Suite, Caldera Solutions CD, and Caldera Open Linux are
trademarks of Caldera, Inc. UNIX is a registered trademark, in the
United States and other countries, licensed exclusively through X/Open
Company Limited. X/Open is a registered trademark of X/Open
Company Limited.
Caldera Press Contact:
Lyle Ball, Senior Manager, Public Relations
lyle.b...@caldera.com, tel: [redacted]
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Authored by: benw on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 04:05 PM EST |
I think it's well understood why SCO prefers to avoid Chapter 7. What I'm less
clear on is why what they say goes. Back in the day, a series of pretty strong
motions were filed by IBM, Novell, and the Office of the US Trustee asking for
a conversion to Chapter 7. Now, at the time SCO was able to argue
successfully against them, but there's been a lot of water (and money) under
the bridge since then and none of its arguments are now valid (inasmuch as
they ever were).
So what I don't understand is not why SCO wants to remain out of Chapter 7,
or why the court is content to let things continue, but why the other parties
and the OUST haven't filed renewed motions to convert since then, as it seems
there'd be no way for SCO to fight them now.[ Reply to This | # ]
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- Chapter 7 - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 04:19 PM EST
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 04:36 PM EST |
When SCO first sued IBM, it was more interesting. The question was whether any
copied code had gotten from Unix to Linux. It was a programming puzzle, a
challenge to find stolen code. Then the case (or cases) was about contract
terms. Finally it was about stalling in bankruptcy court with imaginary
reorganization plans. Now we are back to contract terms. I got hooked on the
SCO-IBM dispute, so I will follow it to the end. The original question of of
copied code will never reach a court verdict since Novell owns the Unix code and
is not suing IBM.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 04:40 PM EST |
The MOR for TSG Operations shows total assets as
$1,515,129
Reading a little more detail, $1,120,205 of
TOTAL CURRENT ASSETS is 'Intracompany Receivables - SCO Group.
As you
noted, SCO Group's assets are $0. An honest accounting would have written
these off as uncollectable, but SCO and honest are an oxymoron.
Since
the 'Accrued Expense - Chapter 11 Fees' alone is $403,714, it is a mystery
how they will pay for trial fees. Do the bankruptcy attorneys really think they
can get something out of IBM? Maybe that's why they are bankruptcy attorneys
and not trial attorneys.
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Authored by: DannyB on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 04:51 PM EST |
I read elsewhere a rumor that it is now approved.
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The price of freedom is eternal litigation.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Steve Martin on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 05:01 PM EST |
It's approved. The filing is up on PACER now, docket [1396].
"Cry
'Havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war!"
--- "When I say something, I
put my name next to it." -- Isaac Jaffe, "Sports Night" [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: nsomos on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 05:25 PM EST |
Should there be any corrections ... please post em here.
It may be helpful to summarize in title.
wronk->wrong
s/misteak/mistake/[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 05:52 PM EST |
They knew the were publishing the source code? Snort! [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: sproggit on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 05:52 PM EST |
I read in PJ's article that she believes that IBM are keen to clear their name
once and for all, and that this is the reason that they want to go to court.
Respectfully, I just don't see the sense in this.
PJ also told us that a good lawyer can help ensure that you can win in court,
but that a great lawyer will keep you out of the courtroom in the first place.
Yet here we are with IBM apparently willing to go back into a courtroom before
Judge Dee Benson yet again.
On the "plus side", the decision in the case presided over by Judge
Ted Stewart was pretty final, so Novell's win largely eviscerated the majority
of TSG's claims.
But why would IBM willingly go back into Court and give the SCOundrels yet more
opportunities to besmirch them? What do IBM stand to gain? I am sure that some
may respond with, "Their reputation," but, honestly, all this time
later does it really matter? Perhaps more importantly, what of the opportunity
for the likes of Darl, perhaps nursing a grudge, to "stick it" to IBM
one last time? If there is one thing that Darl does well, it's grab headlines. I
can't believe that sort of publicity would be good for IBM...
Perhaps a better approach might have been to force Judge Gross to go for Chapter
7 and be done with it.
Serious question, Groklawrians: what benefits do you see for IBM in this gambit?
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For things not related to tSCOg FINALLY coming to justice.
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URLs appreciated.
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Authored by: artp on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 06:43 PM EST |
Thank you!
See Comes v. MS above for details. A prize in every
package...
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 07:31 PM EST |
Do you get to see bloody SCO chunks soon? [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Wol on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 07:33 PM EST |
To those wondering why it's going forward, I think the clue is those repeated
references to summary judgement.
If IBM can get SCOG's claims terminated with prejudice in summary judgement,
they will be happy. They will be properly vindicated (not vindicated by
default).
And I doubt Cahn will be that unhappy either. The more of this mess is cleaned
up in summary judgement, the less will come back to haunt him later on. Even if
they go against him (don't forget, the order does say that any damages will
pretty much be whistling in the wind ...).
In fact, if all that's left of this case after summary judgement is "how
much damages does SCOG owe IBM", I can imagine Cahn doing a private jig to
celebrate. To all intents and purposes the case will be over.
Cheers,
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 08:07 PM EST |
> Caldera *wanted* people to switch from SCO UNIX to Linux,
> and it worked hard to make it happen. Now they want to
> sue IBM because it did happen.
...
>That's SCO pretending it was Santa Cruz Operation, not Caldera,
> but that's just SCO's inner voices. The point is, IBM didn't interfere
> with SCO's UNIX business by encouraging Linux adoption.
> Caldera did that. So TSG should sue itself.
Umm, how about a simpler explanation: Caldera was enticing
SCO's Unix customers to switch to Linux, so SCO bought
them out and closed them down. We know of at least one other
company who does that.
Note that doesn't stop SCO selectively picking thru Caldera's
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Authored by: inode_buddha on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 08:43 PM EST |
I've been waiting for a *long* time... Oh how I wish I could see IBM
"unwind" the profits that SCO's board and principals made off kiting
their stock... Lanham act and the whole nine yards.. *drool*
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"When we speak of free software,
we are referring to freedom, not price"
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 16 2012 @ 08:46 PM EST |
What point is there in winning the right to press counterclaims against a
bankrupt company like SCO. If IBM wins its gets ... what exactly? Not money for
sure, because there isn't any. Not assets because they all got shifted sideways
to UnXis. I can see why SCO was willing to conceed on this. They literally have
nothing to lose by allowing IBM to press its counterclaims. Nothing at all.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Ian Al
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Authored by: The Cornishman on Friday, February 17 2012 @ 06:21 AM EST |
I was intrigued by the mention of Lasermoon, and plugged the rather
distinctive name Ian Nandhra into Google™, which led me, by way of some interesting posts
about open source development and the website of a dance studio
to a particular United States Patent Application, No 2008
0306968 [uspto.gov].
The application, entitled Method and system
for extracting, analyzing, storing, comparing and reporting on data stored in
web and/or other network repositories and apparatus to detect, prevent and
obfuscate information removal from information servers brings us almost back
on topic with respect to PJ's remark about things not being on the Webz in the
place that we saw them last. My summary of the abstract and claims of the
patent application is that it describes crawler-bait. An implementation of the
method and system would detect automated access to an information repository
based on how fast, in what order and specifically what was accessed, and, get
this, would/could delay the response, or omit, supplement or modify the data
supplied in response. End result: a human browser would see different
information to a web spider, bot, crawler or other non-human access
mechanism.
One of the claims covers distinguishing a bot by "access to a
data item that would normally only be accessed by an automated mechanism". So,
if your bot, as good bots should, looks for robots.txt in the root of the server
[here's the one for uspto], then
the session responses may be changed relative to one where the requests are made
in a human timescale, or not in order of the href's on a page, etc.
etc.
Bottom line: information you browse to might not be what your
favourite search engine finds and indexes. Moral: Bookmark often, and tag your
bookmarks. For stuff you care about, save the page, and/or take screenshots, as
we know PJ does. --- (c) assigned to PJ
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To what extent is BSF required to pursue this if the bankrupt SCO is unable to
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Authored by: SilverWave on Friday, February 17 2012 @ 09:52 PM EST |
Quote:
One, described as an "independent significance" approach, calls for
damages of "at least $129.2 million," Google said.
A second, described as a "group and value" method, puts total
copyright and patent damages at between $52.4 million and $169 million, assuming
the court requires a number of deductions Cockburn included in his calculations,
Google said.
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RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions
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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 19 2012 @ 10:52 PM EST |
Sorry for my bad Latin, but I think that is IBM's aim. They will sow their
fields with salt, burn their city to the ground, sell their children into
slavery...
They really shouldn't teach Latin anymore. It can be such a bloodthirsty
language. Guess that's why I like it so much ;)
Wayne
http://madhatter.ca
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