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Monday, February 02 2004 @ 09:29 PM EST
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Here is a report from KSL-TV: Collin Bunker, Westminster College Systems Engineer: "Most Linux users that I’ve talked to, or people involved in the community, aren’t maliciously angry at SCO." . . .
SCO accuses Linux users of launching the virus while some Linux enthusiasts accuse SCO of stage-managing the virus-crisis. . . . Blake Stowell: "Oftentimes this community of developers chooses to sort of take the law into their own hands and do things outside the bounds of the law. And we believe this is just another instance of that happening."
Poppycock, according to Collin Bunker of Westminster College. Linux is used at the campus computer center. Bunker thinks the virus targeted SCO as a distraction and has nothing to do with Linux.
Collin Bunker/Westminster College Systems Engineer: "There's no advantage for a Linux user to do this. It's not going to make SCO step down, it's not going to make SCO retract their claims."
Meanwhile, Linux moves forward in the enterprise, which is why no matter what SCO does, it can't kill it. Too many companies and governmental agencies depend on it. Amazon is moving its data warehouse to Linux now:
Data warehousing software will be next to make the move to Linux at Amazon. The incursion of Linux is so extensive that, at this point, it is easier to identify what does not run on Linux than to enumerate what does, said Killalea, vice president of infrastructure at Amazon.com. Killalea outlined the key steps in the company's full-scale move to Linux. In 2000, HTTP server farms made the transition. In 2001, remaining commercial app servers moved to Linux. Put another way, server load balancing was the first to go to Linux, followed by active/standby fault-tolerant clusters and then distributed message queuing systems. Beginning last year and completed early this year, DB servers are now getting the Linux treatment.
"We want low-maintenance overhead with interchangeable parts," said Killalea, who added that Amazon is endeavoring to take a new approach to the usual technology tradeoff "between fast, reliable and cheap." You usually have to pick one or two of those traits, he explained, but the effort now is to gain all three; Linux is an enabler in that effort.
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| Authored by: Turing_Machine on Monday, February 02 2004 @ 10:11 PM EST |
I'm not sure what to say. I feel that the reporting here is balanced and aware
of the issues. I know that a tv show's job is to sell advertising, even if it
is the "news", and to do that, extreme stories are the method, but
I'll admit, I have been shocked. If this report is a precursor of things to
come, I certainly hope Darl has his resume in order.
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No, I'm not interested in developing a powerful brain. All I'm after is just a
mediocre brain, something like the President of the AT&T --Alan Turing[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: kurt555gs on Monday, February 02 2004 @ 10:14 PM EST |
It is now to the point of the old fairy tale "The Boy who Cryed Wolf"
(copyright notice intentionally removed)
SCO is to the point of being silly.
I would be very supprised to ever see Biose again
But why is the stock still at $14.change
Somethng is rotten in Utah (Not Denmark, or Finland)
Cheers
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* Kurt *
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| Authored by: Harry Clayton on Monday, February 02 2004 @ 10:26 PM EST |
Normally the saying is:
"Fast, Reliable, Cheap. Pick any two."
It hadn't actually ocurred to me until now, that with Linux you can pick all
three.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 02 2004 @ 10:43 PM EST |
| One does wonder why they should reap other than they have sown. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: mobrien_12 on Monday, February 02 2004 @ 10:47 PM EST |
'Oftentimes this community of developers chooses to sort of take the law into
their own hands and do things outside the bounds of the law. And we believe this
is just another instance of that happening.'
Just keep digging your own grave, you idiot. Even MS wouldn't go this route
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 12:10 AM EST |
Thanks to Wayne The Mad
Hatter (and whoever else) for getting through
to KSL TV.
This news coverage certainly gets back within bounds... in
fact, it's a lot better than some of the other coverage out there.
And
you changed my mind about whether it was worth trying with these guys.
Although, if I had tried, I probably would have been too angry to be effective.
:-)
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 12:32 AM EST |
...Blake Stowell: 'Oftentimes this community of developers chooses to sort
of take the law into their own hands...
GPL, Groklaw, debian-legal,
ESR and Perens analyses... Yes, I should say they do take the law into their own
hands. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 02:55 AM EST |
If so, why don't you have Utah Attorney Gneral step in or demand s/he
investigate SCO? Doesn't Utah have law to force AG to investigate if legal
actions would be adverse to state, and wouldn't it be adverse if state had to
pay millions of dollars to SCO for licenses for computers in schools?
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| Authored by: red floyd on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 02:58 AM EST |
Yes, I'm upset with SCO.
No, I'm not maliciously angry with them.
I'm watching this sort of the way you can't help watching a train wreck. You
have to admit, suicide by lawsuit is an interesting way to kill a company.
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The only reason we retain the rights we have is because people *JUST LIKE US*
died to preserve those rights.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 03:18 AM EST |
http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20040202S0075
Rob Enderle and Laura DiDio are quoted in this EETimes article. Basically
bringing to light some folks darker side regarding comments and threats as they
side with Linux. I see how both sides can become embroiled in the passion, good
vs evil, right vs wrong, etc. However it is rationalized, passion often distorts
reality.
Linux is under fire, but as the truth is brought forward, Linux itself is shown
to be fairly bullet proof. Stop stressing!
I'll work on my perspective and try to consider the influence my attitude and
comments have. Adding fuel to this fire doesn't serve my wish that the whole
mess will be ended, more sooner than later. I certainly will not give SCO or
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 07:36 AM EST |
Linux has been enterprise ready for quite some time. The latest kernels have
furthured the enterprise capabilities. Unix is outdated and lacking in many
areas. Although I have high regards for Unix, I fail to see how a Unix branded
company such as SCO could take the chance of bringing a bad name to Unix. What
they are doing is going to leave a bad taste in the mouth of Unix users. Linux
is much further along and proves to be a viable replacement for Unix day in and
day out. SCO better get used to it. Linux will indeed shrink the Unix market to
a fraction of what it is now in the next 5 years.
"Most Linux Users I've Talked to Aren't Maliciously Angry at SCO"
I wouldn't even have to talk to them to know that. Linux users if they are
anything like I am have no time for SCO. SCO is a joke at best, and the Unix
market will shrivel in the next 5 years. What's to be angry about?
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| Authored by: phrostie on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 08:20 AM EST |
it seems TSG is having trouble keeping it's new site up.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/graph?site=www.thescogroup.com
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phrostie
Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS
and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings.
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| Authored by: pooky on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 08:52 AM EST |
Well, as a Linux user I can certainly say I am not even angry at SCO. I think
it's a deplorable approach they are taking with the Linux using community at
large, but I certainly have no wish to use something that I am not entitled to
by not paying for it.
Until I see them prove their case in court, that IBM did in fact copy their code
into Linux, I can't see how any rational person would not simply reject their
claims outright. Until a court says otherwise, Linux is as advertised, free,
licensed under the GPL, and unencumbered.
What I find deplorable is that SCO refuses to see that no one can reach an
intelligent conclusion with the information they have provided. It's certainly
not proof.
-pooky
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Veni, vidi, velcro.
"I came, I saw, I stuck around."
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| Authored by: sbungay on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 10:13 AM EST |
Anger and ignorance are the enemy, the wise person will know this and temper
any anger with this wisdom. The Linux community has shown this wisdom in their
honest approach (show the code and it will be removed) and are shining a light
of truth (Groklaw) into the abyss of ignorance. Hopefully our lamp, kept bright
by the efforts of people like PJ, will provide a measure of freedom to any who
are shackled by the bonds of fear, uncertainty, and doubt; bonds created by
those who would attempt to better themselves off the work of thousands, and
claim that work as their own.
The people attempting to create an angry response from the Linux community,
are digging their own graves with every utterance. Their somewhat less than
honest actions are becoming more and more obvious as self-serving deceptions,
wrapped in half truths so as to lend an air of credibility to what would
otherwise be outrageous claims. It can be likened to a comedy which, being
initially heralded as a hit, has now been weighed, measured, and found wanting.
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He that is of the opinion money will do everything may well be suspected of
doing everything for money.
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| Authored by: Neil Dunbar on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 12:09 PM EST |
| I think we shouldn't ignore the reality that the free and open source
software movements have their roots in an ideology that originated in the 60's
and which
has been all but destroyed, ridiculed with contempt in corporate USA
and all other corporate environments.
I disagree. The roots of FOSS are
manifold, and the 60s counterculture only one strand of this. Another element is
the sound engineering practice of not adopting a single source for all of your
software - usually known as vendor lockin. If you have control of the source,
then this puts power back into the hands of the consumer. That's not hippie
idealism - it's hard headed good business practice.
No IT manager of a
large corporation will expose his company to risk (if
anything SCO has
punctuated *RISK*) by installation software of which the
license was created by
somebody who looks and sounds like Jesus Christ and
writes stuff like "US
citizens, please sign the petition in support of
Ellen Mariani's lawsuit to get
the truth about what happened on 9/11." in
his personal weblog.
Again,
you make the mistake of confusing one (albeit seminal) contributor to the free
software movement as the only meaningful representative of the complex body of
FOSS proponents. IBM, Novell and HP do not endorse FOSS because it makes them
feel like they're hugging trees - they do it because it's calculated to earn
them money. And they specifically endorse the GPL because it's one of the best
protectors of IP yet constructed (yes, you read that right). GPL'ed software
cannot be stolen, obfuscated, then resold with no benefit to the original coder
- the derivative works clause exists to protect the intent of the
creator.
*This is a major issue* Imagine SCO somehow succeeds to
influence the US
government in slapping export restrictions on Linux. Where will
that take the
rest of us (including Torvalds) with the status quo being Torvalds
(as a
non-American citizen?) developing Linux in the USA while being paid by a
US
company , not to mention contributions by IBM, Novel and SCO.
Then I
suspect that Torvalds would simply leave the US and return to Finland. As would
a huge number of US based programmers. Put another way - there is already an
egress of programming positions from the USA; such foolish legislation would
only exacerbate the situation.
The USA, of course, has already attempted to
use its dominant scientific, military and commercial position to restrict
intellectual capital - the export restrictions of cryptographic systems. The
result was a dismal failure. All it did was decimate the US computer
security industry. SSH was developed in Finland, Heimdal in Sweden because
Kerberos couldn't be exported easily, GPG developed in Germany because PGP was
obstructed, etc. In other words, the US government discovered that the rest of
the planet actually contains clever people who can invent with our without Uncle
Sam's blessing
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| Authored by: darthaggie on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 01:33 PM EST |
I find the TSG provides great, free entertainment. Blake will be get a job with
any dictator in the world as Minister of Information. I was missing the Iraqi
MoI, but Blake has stepped in and filled some big shoes. I predict that he will
have a long career in the business. Maybe he can help Fidel out?
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| Authored by: PeteS on Tuesday, February 03 2004 @ 04:12 PM EST |
| I see this
'Electronic terror' in
Linux's shadow
Although the reported tries to be balanced, he apparently
still buys into the SCOG and Didio spin.
EETimes is a widely read industry
rag, and the audience is technical, so I expect many will send an email to the
author (I have, explaining the facts, and referencing the fine resources
here).
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Recursion: n. See Recursion
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| Authored by: PJ on Wednesday, February 04 2004 @ 03:49 AM EST |
I wanted to let you know that I deleted an entire thread. I'm getting
complaints. And frankly, I agreed. If you want to make ad hominem remarks,
take it someplace else, please. That's not Groklaw. I delete nastiness and
mean-spirited remarks when I see them. I don't mind an honest exchange of
different opinions, but if you are unkind or unpleasant, you will likely be
deleted.
I also appreciate it when you don't use bad language. I have to read these
comments, day after day, and it's distressing to me to read that kind of thing.
You're free to disagree with my standards and can do whatever you like on your
own website, but this is my house, so to speak, and you are visiting me. It's
just a personal thing.
We're working hard here, and we're trying to get important work accomplished.
I don't have a lot of time free, and having to check to make sure new folks who
haven't acclimated yet and the SCO trolls aren't ruining the atmosphere is
time-consuming. Just ignore the new trolls, please, and as I come along, I'll
deal with it. Or email me, and I'll take care of it faster. If you answer and
then it escalates into a long thread, it just makes more work for me to clean it
all up. Don't let yourselves be provoked by those obviously deliberately
trolling, please. Just ignore it. It's a campaign. It's nonsense. We'll deal
with it.
Please use your energy to research and dig up useful material. There is a lot
of work to do. Right now the focus is on the BSDi settlement and the files
involved in that lawsuit. Anything useful you can dig up on that would be
helpful. Also any info on AT&T copyrights prior to the trial. Anything you
can find on the settlement itself. Anything on the lawsuit. Every scrap may
prove to be the thing that matters. This is detail work, and the more there are
involved the easier it is to find the one piece that turns out to be the piece
that wins.
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