Kernel Pool Is Back For 2.6 87
Manuka writes: "Win Fabulous Prizes and the recognition of your peers! (well, OK, maybe not the latter). As it's become somewhat of a tradition, tummy.com is now taking bets for the release date of the next production Linux kernel. Congratulations to Bill Wendling who won the pool for 2.4." Hey waitaminute, I don't even have a Slashdot shirt, never mind a VA Polo -- where do you get these?! Of course, Linus has promised a shortening release cycle, so bet accordingly.
Re:No Slashdot Shirt? (Score:2)
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CitizenC
You're all wrong (Score:2)
GCC 7.0 too? (attn: dripping sarcasm) (Score:1)
Kernal 8.0.0
Apache 8.0.0
KDE 8.0.0
Gnome 8.0.0
GCC 8.0.0
Glibc 8.0.0
XFree86 8.0.0
RPM 8.0.0
OpenOffice 8.0.0
KOffice 8.0.0
I'm sure I missed a lot of programs. Just number the next release of anything 8.0.0 to be sure.
Digital Wokan
I wanted to spend 8 years defending the US constitution.
Hm (Score:4)
ReiserFS (Score:2)
"Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto"
(I am a man: nothing human is alien to me)
Re:What about 2.5? (Score:2)
"With one exception, every prime number is odd"
"2 is an even prime number"
I'm wondering what that exception could be...
Okay... I'll do the stupid things first, then you shy people follow.
Re:ReiserFS (Score:1)
Who cares what "the standard" turns out to be? You can run reiserfs all you like either way.
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Re:What about 2.5? (Score:1)
Perhaps Linus is not against odd numbers; he is actually against square numbers. If you drop the "." (which will subsequently cause havoc on the internet, as thousands of people try to access "http://slashorg"), it becomes 25, which is 5^2.
Wait, that's it! Linus must hate the idea of 2.5 because it is 5 -- an odd number -- squared.
Nostradamus would be proud of you (Score:1)
Re:Features planned for 2.5/2.6 (Score:1)
Re:7.0 (Score:1)
Re:he was talking about all future releases (Score:1)
1 in
Re:7.0 (Score:2)
Users aren't stupid.
You've never worked tech support, have you? :)
1st Law Of Networking: Loose ends are bad, termination is good.
Re:For those not following Kernel Traffic... (Score:1)
I expect ext2 will be around for quite some time, and will remain the default on installs for some time.
I don't. I'm expecting that ext3 will be the default filesystem for any install. It's backwards-compatible (old kernels can mount ext3 filesystems as ext2), and eliminates fsck.
Re:turfy nost (Score:1)
Re:now if I wanted to give my kid a cool gift ... (Score:1)
Re:Shortening release cycle? (Score:2)
Re:Two weeks after the nexty vaporware list (Score:1)
Re:If these (2.4) trends continue... (Score:1)
There are no 31st in February. Where are you getting at?
Shortening release cycle? (Score:1)
Tux2 (Score:2)
Ow, c'mon. At least you forgot the coolness factor. Tux2 is a "whole new technology", it has to face a patent to a similar system that is probably invalid or at least not applicable to Tux2 (because Tux2's predecessors itself form the prior art), it doesn't have to journal so it comes per definition with less overhead, and it introduces all kind of fluffy terms. Plus it didn't take all kinds of flames to get into the darned kernel (sorry Hans, I know emotions can run high on mailinlists sometimes).
I mean, comparing Tux2 to ReiserFS is like comparing Linux to BSD. They may both validly work in practice, but Linux seems to be the more sexy and to have the buzzword factor.
It's... It's...
Uhm... (Score:2)
Instead, we might rather talk about Linux/ HURD when referring to the HURD by now...
;-)
It's... It's...
Re:7.0 (Score:1)
Linux 2000 release delayed until early 2001....
Re:Features planned for 2.5/2.6 (Score:1)
Re:7.0 (Score:2)
Re:7.0 (Score:1)
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Re:I don't mean to nitpick, but (Score:2)
Re:Features planned for 2.5/2.6 (Score:1)
Re:Shortening release cycle? (Score:4)
As it is now, bleedign edge folk can get incremental updates via odd kernels.
A new release neatly bundles all those incremental changes. 2.4 is a known quantity. A minor release isn't, becuase nobody can afford to keep track of the incremental updates in each release. If a user needs DVD support for my game, I tell them to get 2.4. I could tell them to get a 2.2.50 if it had those features, but better to break everything in their distribution at one time rather than cause many small annoying issues. Eg, since their 2.2.7 distro didn't create
Re:Features planned for 2.5/2.6 (Score:1)
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Here's the 2.2 Link (Score:1)
Re:7.0 (Score:1)
Re:Shortening release cycle (Score:1)
Oh really? Is this like the time he said that in 1999 about 2.4? Not bashing or anything, I think Linus should release when he thinks it's ready, I'm just saying that you might want to bet on it (ha ha).
It just means you should add a year to whatever you bet is. (Or to whatever Linus announces as the expected release date)
Re:wait a minute.... (Score:1)
If the next release is 69.0, the entries in the kernel pool will be applied to it -- the exact version of the next stable kernel isn't important.
Sean
Re:ReiserFS (Score:5)
Transmeta's Tech-a-tron says (Score:1)
How to craft your vote. (Score:1)
So I placed a vote for around then. My ranking when all was said and done was around 1,100 out of 1,400.
It'd be nice if it were shorter this time, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
Sean
Re:New for 2.6 (Score:2)
Re:7.0 (Score:1)
Re:Anyone know when DUAL monitor support will be , (Score:1)
Re:Shortening release cycle? (Score:2)
Another issue to consider is the constant advancement in hardware. One reason for changes at the memory management level was the the existing system was inefficient when run on large memory machines. Your mechanism will lead to stagnation in the development tree. Commercial distributions will ignore this, releasing patched kernels with source that hasn't been fully audited, leading to stability problems.
Re:ReiserFS (Score:1)
Journalling (ie writing all metadata twice) is silly.
We need soft-updates (or phase-trees, whatever).
Different needs, different filesystems (Score:1)
Anyhow - I thought the entire opensource philosophy was that there's more than one way to do it?
Betting (Score:2)
wait a minute.... (Score:1)
the last interveiw i read with linus said that he was going to think for a bit before releasing the next kernel version. he may be planning to jump straight to version 3.0 next. it seems a touch unlikely to me at least, but who gets the prizes if that happens??
this is a touch sarcastic...
.brad
Drink more tea
organicgreenteas.com [organicgreenteas.com]
I know when... (Score:1)
Two weeks after the nexty vaporware list (Score:5)
Re:ReiserFS (Score:1)
Good for you. My server is located an hour from my house (and work), so getting over there to to the backup/format/restore shuffle is an annoying whole day event. ext3/tux2 lets me upgrade w/ a quick file edit and a reboot (all from remote). (one of these days, I'll convince myself to get a PC Weasel so I can try out new kernels as well...)
As for the "standard" business, I think pretty much everyone else summed it up. The kernel shouldn't care what FS is running, that's the VFS' job. I really hope that ext2 hard-codes have been removed from the rest of the kernel if they were there at all.
The current "standard" *is* ext2, because it's the FS that is available everywhere. I would think that ext3/tux2 becomes the next standard for compatibility reasons. However, nothing will stop you from using any of the other fses available (even included with the kernel), including reiserfs. It's like now, with a different set of file systems available.
The magic 8 ball says... (Score:3)
I say July 2, 2002
Re:Shortening release cycle? (Score:3)
7.0 (Score:1)
hehehe, this would be fun (Score:2)
Re:7.0 (Score:1)
Shortening release cycle? (Score:1)
No Slashdot Shirt? (Score:2)
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CitizenC
Conflict of Interest (Score:1)
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"You just stranded one of the world's greatest leaders in San Dimas!"
New for 2.6 (Score:1)
now if I wanted to give my kid a cool gift ... (Score:2)
I would make the date November 20th [slashdot.org].
* Hey, just joking about that part! :)
* also, this would not technically be cheating on Mrs. Torvalds, since it would really be me inside the Finnish Love Machine**.
** I don't think anyone has ever put the words "Love," "Machine" and "Finnish" in that particular order before, certainly not in this context.
If these (2.4) trends continue... (Score:2)
For those not following Kernel Traffic... (Score:3)
It sounds likely that ReiserFS will make it into the kernel sometime 2.4.x, perhaps early in the lifecycle. And once one journalling filesystem goes in, the rest will come rather quickly. Quite a bit of the difficulty has been in introducing journalling features into the VFS layer. This is code that will be reused for every journalling-style filesystem implemented.
Also, once ReiserFS becomes stable, it will not necessarily replace ext2fs. I expect ext2 will be around for quite some time, and will remain the default on installs for some time.
--Lenny
Help the Testing Cycle with LinuqQuality (Score:3)
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
Re:Conflict of Interest (Score:1)
Nah, you're wrong... (Score:1)
January 18th, 2038
I sure hope everybody has a 64 bit time_t by then...
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Features? (Score:1)
priz
Sure... whats in it? (Score:1)
I'm not placing my bet until I see what the feature list for the next releases is going to be - let alone what the bug situation with 2.4.0 is!
Think about it - 3.0 could technically arrive next week, if they REALLY wanted it to!
Re:If it is... (Score:1)
Re:If these (2.4) trends continue... (Score:1)
Umm... that was the joke..
Arrrr, forget it
Re:7.0 (Score:1)
Re:If it is... (Score:1)
A better question would be... (Score:1)
      The only people who need to follow any given time-frame are companies who want to keep profits rolling in in steady proprtions
Shortening release cycle (Score:4)
Oh really? Is this like the time he said that in 1999 [slashdot.org] about 2.4? Not bashing or anything, I think Linus should release when he thinks it's ready, I'm just saying that you might want to bet on it (ha ha).
Re:What about 2.5? (Score:3)
Sure they lack factors of 2, but they are still numbers. With one exception, every prime number is odd and prime numbers are important. Does Linus Torvals hate prime numbers?
This 'even-numbered' favoritism is surely a sign of some deeply rooted hatred and fear.
Re:7.0 / version jumping ... (Score:2)
I hope not, though -- the conservative version numbering system so far employed has demonstrated restraint and non-craven humility
Now it might make sense, as some have suggested, to go straight to 3.0 from here -- ok, that I could live with, it's at least the next integer in line, and "three point oh" does have a nice ring to it. But to take the slackware leap would be ultimately futile -- if Linus calls the next kernel "Linux 7.0" then some distro will busily repackage all their disks with that kernel until they are called "Official DistroName Linux 8.5!"
Maybe some distro (Debian leaps out, for version-numbering reasons) should introduce a 3rd version number or add a letter.
And a conversation like this one could happen:
"Hey, whatcha runnin' there?"
"Debian 2.6"
"Yeah? 2.6.b?"
"No,
Just a thought,
simon
This pool is a tax on... (Score:3)
Does this mean this pool is a tax on people who haven't read "Mythical Man Month"...
marty
PS: yeah, i know you don't pay to enter, go along with the joke...
Re:7.0 (Score:2)
Re:7.0 (Score:1)
Not to mention far less useful to those who have been using it all along. I mean, WTF is so hard about the kernel being just a part of the overall package??
Re:7.0 (Score:2)
So why do you call it "GNU/Linux". Wasn't RMS's excuse that he wants newbies to know about GNU? So isn't calling is "GNU/Linux" really "dumbing down" the name so that newbies won't have to spend some time using Linux so they can find out for themselves that some of the command line utils and libc are GNU?
Re:What about 2.5? (Score:1)
Re:Shortening release cycle? (Score:3)
Re:Two weeks after the nexty vaporware list (Score:2)
The next release will be approximately 3-4 months after the next Debian is out which includes 2.4. :p
If it is... (Score:1)
I could probably look up what happened last time...
Prior use found. (Score:1)
** I don't think anyone has ever put the words "Love," "Machine" and "Finnish" in that particular order before, certainly not in this context.
A quick Google search shows prior use:
http://members.tripod.co.uk/insasux2/rogues.html [tripod.co.uk]
Re:Anyone know when DUAL monitor support will be , (Score:1)
The kernel supports 2 cards just fine, it just happens to only display stuff using one of them. =)
Re:GCC 7.0 too? (attn: dripping sarcasm) (Score:1)
They're whey beyond 8.0.0
Re:gym-sex & linux (Score:1)
I don't mean to nitpick, but (Score:2)
Is that part of the pool too? I think it should be included: what version you think it will be, and what release date you think it will be.
Re:No Slashdot Shirt? (Score:1)
that's all
Tim