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The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

This article is part of the LWN Grumpy Editor series.
IRC (Internet Relay Chat) is a venerable protocol which allows people to type messages at each other across the net. Your editor remembers a fascinating day in 1991, when observers in Moscow used an IRC channel to report on the Soviet coup attempt; it was an early example of the power the net would come to have. In subsequent years, however, your editor has had little time for IRC. Getting LWN together every week requires a strong focus on getting things done, and IRC can be a real productivity killer. Pretending that IRC does not exist has been most helpful in getting the Real Work done.

Recently, however, your editor has had reason to wander into IRC again. Having not done much in this area for a while, your editor lacked a favorite IRC client - or any IRC client at all. Thus began the search for the best tool for this particular job - and, eventually, this article.

Anybody who has investigated the topic knows that there is no shortage of IRC clients to choose from. It would appear that free software developers are often afflicted with this particular itch. There is no real hope of reviewing them all, so your editor will not even try. Instead, this review is restricted to graphical clients which appear to have a real user base and which are under active development. Your editor also lacks access to AOL instant messaging, MSN messaging, etc., so this review will be focused on IRC functionality. Some clients can work with many networks; that capability will be mentioned when appropriate, but it will not be reviewed further. Finally, your editor has little to say about channel operator commands, file downloads, or other such features of IRC; this article will focus on the basics.

Gaim

[Gaim] Gaim is a longstanding GNOME messaging client. It does IRC, along with AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Yahoo, Jabber, Gadu-Gadu, and so on. If it's a messaging protocol, Gaim can probably handle it. Those using it for IRC only will find that Gaim brings a certain amount of baggage ("buddy lists" and such) which is not useful in that context, and that some of the terminology used ("rooms") does not quite match the IRC conventions. None of this is particularly problematic in real use, however.

The main Gaim window is tab-oriented, with each IRC channel in its own tab. This organization is space-efficient, but it can make it hard to monitor more than one channel - though the color-coded tab tags help. Tabs can be detached, however, allowing the user to fill the screen with single-channel windows. Gaim windows use smooth scrolling, a feature your editor got tired of back in the VT100 days; unfortunately, there appears to be no easy way to turn it off. On the other hand, users can turn off the insertion of cloyingly cute smiley graphics into the message stream.

Private messages result in the quiet creation of a new tab - something which can be easy for the user to miss. In general, the handling of private messages in IRC clients seems a little awkward.

Gaim has support for IRC servers which can authenticate nicknames with passwords. It also has a plugin feature which can be used to extend the client; available plugins add support for additional protocols, expose more preference options, perform encryption, and more.

Finally, on your editor's system, the Gaim client was a huge process. It should not be that hard to create an IRC client which requires less that a 50MB resident set, but the Gaim developers have not done that. Running Gaim made the whole system visibly slower. Gaim also doesn't take the hint when all of its windows are closed; one must explicitly tell it to go away by selecting "Quit" from the "Buddies" menu in the "Buddy list" window - something your editor found less than entirely intuitive.

Konversation

[Konversation] Konversation is a KDE-based client centered around IRC. Like many KDE clients, it is feature-heavy and visually pleasing.

Like Gaim, Konversation is based on a single window with tabs. In this case, however, there does not appear to be any way to detach the tabs into their own windows. One nice feature in Konversation is "remember lines," lines drawn in each conversation window when it goes out of view. When returning to a channel, the user knows just where to start reading to catch up on the new stuff. This feature gets a little aggressive at times, drawing several lines together in low-activity channels; one presumes this little glitch can be ironed out. Konversation also has an option to suppress all of the channel event lines (comings and goings) which tend to clutter up the conversation.

Konversation can handle passwords, but it required a bit more setup work than some other clients. Also available is a "URL catcher" tab which simply accumulates URLs posted on subscribed channels.

Overall, Konversation comes across as a featureful and useful IRC client. The documentation which comes with it is well-done and comprehensive; it helped your editor get past his initial questions ("how do I make it stop joining #kde?") quickly. Detachable tabs would make it nearly perfect.

ERC

[ERC] Perhaps your editor is pushing it a bit by including ERC in this list. ERC is an emacs-based IRC client; it can be added onto emacs 21, and it has been bundled into the upcoming emacs 22 release. Emacs is a strongly graphical environment these days, and ERC offers all of the point-and-click configuration and operation options that the other clients reviewed here have.

ERC maintains a separate buffer for each open IRC channel. It tends to hide those buffers, and there is no simple tab bar for switching between them. It is a simple matter for an emacs user to configure the display as desired, with different channels displayed in different windows or frames. Somebody who is not familiar with the emacs way of doing things would have a harder time of it, however.

There is a separate buffer for managing the connection with the IRC server, and that is where private messages show up. It is probably safe to say that very few users will keep that buffer visible, with the result that private messages tend to go unnoticed. ERC also arguably features the ugliest, most unreadable channel list window of any of the clients reviewed.

Display is highly configurable. By default, ERC is less color-happy than most other graphical clients, a feature which your editor appreciates. There is a full list of options for filtering users and message types, performing text transformations, etc. And, of course, the experienced emacs user can simply attach elisp functions to any events requiring more involved customization.

There is no provision for marking the last-read text in ERC. This functionality is easily obtained by moving point off the end of the buffer, essentially saving the current location - but the user must remember to do it.

Overall, your editor likes the feel of working with ERC - but, then, he is known to be sympathetic to emacs-based solutions. There is no need to figure out how to search for specific text, for example - all of the normal text searching functions work as expected. Saving text or a partial log is straightforward. There is no one-line text window to type into; one simply types into the buffer and long lines are broken naturally. And so on. Emacs users will probably be happy with ERC; the rest of the world is unlikely to pick up emacs to be able to use it.

XChat

[XChat] XChat is a popular client with a relatively long history. Your editor tried out the GNOME version of XChat on several networks. Finding servers was relatively easy, since XChat comes equipped with a long list built into it. One thing which becomes immediately apparent, however, is that XChat grabs the channel list in a blocking operation. The client can go completely unresponsive for several minutes until the listing is complete - not the friendliest introduction possible.

The main XChat window features a tree listing of servers and open panels on the left, and a display of one of those channels in the main pane. There does not appear to be any way to view more than one channel's traffic at any given time. The left pane marks channels with unread activity - with a separate mark if the only activity is enter and leave events.

The XChat feature list is long. It has a "last read" line in each window, though how it decides when something was read remains a bit of a mystery. It is not directly related to expose, focus, or mouse button events. Those who are relatively uninterested in actually reading IRC traffic can set up window transparency and background images. There is a plugin mechanism which can used to set up a URL grabber window or to script the client in Perl or Python. Moving the pointer over a correspondent's name yields a popup with that person's name and origin information. There is no password support, however. Unlike some other clients, XChat appears to have relatively little support for channel operator functions.

Graphically, XChat is reasonably pleasing, with a use of color which is not entirely excessive. Private messages are handled in a relatively straightforward and visible way - but the dialog for selecting a user to talk to is painful. Overall, it is a capable and easy client adequate for the needs of a large subset of IRC users.

SeaMonkey

[SeaMonkey] Once upon a time, the Mozilla client looked as if it were about to grow to encompass the functionality of most other programs found on a typical desktop system. The Mozilla project eventually decided to redirect its efforts toward the more focused Firefox and Thunderbird tools, leaving the old, comprehensive application behind. There were users who did not like that state of affairs, and who dedicated some time to continuing its development. The result was the SeaMonkey project. Tucked into one corner of this tool is an IRC client.

Your editor's introduction to this tool was somewhat rocky. It offered up Undernet as one of its connection possibilities. Your editor decided to check it out and see what channels were available. After a long period where the client was completely unresponsive (attempting to list information for over 20,000 channels), it simply crashed. Note to the SeaMonkey developers: if you must crash, please have the courtesy to do so before making the user wait for a long network transfer.

When SeaMonkey is operating, it provides a single, tabbed window with nicknames on the left. There is no way to have more than one channel on-screen at a time. There is no password support. All told, the SeaMonkey IRC client ("ChatZilla") comes across as unfinished and rough compared to a number of the alternatives. Your editor has seen nothing here to convince him that web browsers need to support IRC too.

ksirc

[ksirc] Ksirc is a simple IRC client shipped with KDE; it does not appear to have a web page dedicated to it. It offers less help than many other clients; your editor's install of ksirc did not know about any IRC servers, for example. Once configured, however, it operates well enough.

The bulk of the interface is done through a single window, with each channel represented by a tab. It is possible to detach the tabs into separate windows, making it possible to see multiple windows at once. There is also a "ticker mode" where messages scroll by in a single-line window, but this mode did not render properly on your editor's system. A separate window shows the list of servers and open channels, but it does not appear to actually be useful for much.

Your editor appreciates restraint in the use of color, but ksirc, perhaps, takes the idea too far by default. The window is essentially monochromatic, dense, and difficult to read. The use of color can be configured, however, and there is a set of filters which can be used to highlight messages with text of interest. When the automatic colorizing mode is enabled, however, it has an unhealthy tendency to pick gray for some of the more active users - a bit of a pain considering that the window background is, by default, gray.

Overall, ksirc is a sufficiently capable tool for most needs. It gives the impression of having been left behind by some of the other KDE-based IRC clients, however, and of not getting much development attention in recent times.

Kopete

[Kopete] A more contemporary KDE client is Kopete. This tool, perhaps, is the KDE answer to Gaim; it appears to have support for just about any messaging protocol one can imagine. Once again, your editor only looked at the IRC functionality.

If ksirc is dense and hard to read, Kopete is the opposite. The default display is full of white space, divider bars, icons, smilies, and more. Here, too, it can be hard to follow a conversation for the simple reason that very little of it actually fits into the window. Kopete supports themes, however, and it does not take long to find a theme which makes a little better use of screen real estate.

At the outset, Kopete's interface is a bit intimidating. The small window that comes up seems to offer little in the way of interesting operations - joining a channel, say. For that, one must know to right-click on the little icon which shows up in the taskbar tray and wander through the menus. It all works fine once one gets the hang of it, but a new user trying to get started without having read the manual is likely to be frustrated for a while.

It is hard to miss private messages in Kopete - the application creates a new window and throws it at you. For the serious messaging user, there is a whole set of options for configuring just how hard the client tries to let you know about various sorts of events. About the only thing that is lacking is a "last read" line. With that in place, and with an appropriate theme, Kopete is a powerful and attractive tool.

KVirc

[KVirc] Finally, your editor tried out KVirc, which is a bit of a different approach to IRC clients. Unlike Kopete, which leaves the first-time user trying to figure out what to do, KVirc starts with a set of configuration windows - one of which even displays the GPL text for approval. The user ends up with a big window containing another for server selection. It would appear that just about every IRC server on the planet has been put into this dialog; it's a long list.

After selecting a server (and, perhaps. entering password information), the user encounters one of the more peculiar aspects of KVirc. Every channel has its own window, but all of those windows are contained within the big KVirc window. There is a background image in the big window, and the channel windows are all translucent. It is all visually striking, but your editor could not help wondering why the developers felt the need to implement their own window manager. It even has options for tiling all of the subwindows - with a choice of several different algorithms.

KVirc also has KVS, its own, special-purpose scripting language "inspired by C++, sh, perl, php and mIrc". There is a separate window for monitoring socket operations, no end of options for playing sounds, a set of anti-spam and anti-flood filters, and more. It's all powerful and striking, but it's hard to help wondering if all that brilliant development energy couldn't have gone into something more generally useful than another IRC client.

For people who spend much of their lives in IRC, KVirc might well be the tool of choice. It's visually striking, feature-rich, and users can script their own bots directly within the client. For your editor's purposes, however, KVirc is an overly heavy tool, wanting the full screen and ongoing attention.

Conclusion

Some readers will certainly note the biggest omission from this review: bitchx. It is, beyond doubt, a powerful client; bitchx was left out primarily because it is not a graphical client. Those who are determined to remain in the curses world are unlikely to be much interested in the other clients listed here, so there doesn't seem to be much point in trying to compare them.

So which client will your editor use when he wishes to be grumpy with others in real time, one line at a time? ERC probably remains at the top of the list, but XChat is also a useful and capable client. If your editor were a user of other messaging protocols as well, it would pretty much come down to Gaim or Kopete, depending on one's desktop orientation. Your editor's high-school son tends to quickly minimize windows when others walk into the room, but he would appear to have settled on Gaim.

In the end, however, just about any of these clients is adequate for the job. One cannot help but wonder why the free software community has produced such a large set of IRC clients. Yes, IRC is an important communication channel, and a well-designed client can make IRC more pleasant to work with, but it still does not seem like there would be room for that many applications doing essentially the same thing. One cannot fault developers for scratching an itch and giving the result to the world. Perhaps, once they have achieved the creation of the world-dominating IRC client, some of these developers will move on to the creation of something truly revolutionary.


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The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 16, 2007 18:34 UTC (Tue) by ametlwn (subscriber, #10544) [Link]

XChat does have password support. - The server settings dialogue has got fields for setting both nickserv- and server password. See http://www.xchat.org/files/screenshots/xchat-260-winxp-sl... (No, this menu is not WinXP specific.)

xchat-gnome

Posted Jan 16, 2007 18:54 UTC (Tue) by dave_malcolm (subscriber, #15013) [Link]

I'd argue that it's worth covering xchat-gnome separately to xchat in a review such like this.

For myself, I greatly prefer xchat-gnome to xchat; the UI of the former is IMHO significantly easier to use.

See http://xchat-gnome.navi.cx/?page_id=13

(For instance, managing which channels to automatically login to in the former uses a sane set of graphical dialogs, the latter gives you a text entry box which requires a comma-separated list of names, and which silently fails to deal with spaces)

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 16, 2007 18:58 UTC (Tue) by jwb (guest, #15467) [Link]

The proliferation of tabbed UIs is disturbing. Tabs are not some kind of magical usability panacea. In fact they are usually harmful, as they circumvent the usual window management paradigm. I really wish they would make the GAIM tabbed windows not be the default because, as you correctly point out, it can be quite annoying to have to poll the tabs for updates and very easy to miss the silent insertion of a new tab.

Same goes for all the other tabbed UIs in this article.

tabs

Posted Jan 16, 2007 19:54 UTC (Tue) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link]

I think that tabs are OK in cases where the user will want to focus attention on one tab at a time, and does not need to be alerted to changes in the other tabs. I like the tab approach for setting distinct groups of configuration parameters. Putting private messages or separate IRC channels in separate tabs, though, seems like a botch.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 16, 2007 22:32 UTC (Tue) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link]

having used screen and such I like the ability to nest windows in a window like that.

Also another example is IRSSI in the command line. You have multiple sessions open and you switch back and forth. I don't see this any different then tabs.

What I would like to see however is the ability to tear off tabs or configure it to use windows instead. Depending on the person I can see independant windows being better.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 17, 2007 7:37 UTC (Wed) by halla (subscriber, #14185) [Link]

It's a bit strange that konversation doesn't alllow you to tear off the
tabs, seeing that konqueror and konsole both have that feature. Perhaps
in the next version... What I would like, too, is having tab (or alt-/)
completion for all words in a channel, not just nicks.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 18, 2007 12:36 UTC (Thu) by jospoortvliet (guest, #33164) [Link]

well, konversation development has been rather silent for some time, but
it's getting up-speed again. submit some wishes and/or patches, and i'm
pretty sure things will get better :D

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 18, 2007 14:38 UTC (Thu) by Sho (guest, #8956) [Link]

> well, konversation development has been rather silent for some time

We tend to walk off for a while and slowly plow through larger items on our own, which then culminates in a flurry of commit activity toward the later stages of a given release cycle, giving the appearance of work happening in waves -- don't let that fool you into thinking nothing is going on inbetween. The August '06 release of 1.0 and the October '06 release of 1.0.1 should be followed by a 1.1 in a few weeks.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 18, 2007 14:31 UTC (Thu) by Sho (guest, #8956) [Link]

Speaking as its maintainer, we'd like to have detachable tabs as well, and intend to provide that functionality in a future release, most likely for the then-current KDE 4 desktop.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 17, 2007 8:07 UTC (Wed) by tao (subscriber, #17563) [Link]

At least when using Gaim 2 (OK, it's not been officially released yet, but beta5 is working perfectly fine), I get visual cues to what tabs contain new information. The top of the tab goes green if someone is typing something to me at the moment (only for protocols that support this, of course, such as jabber), red if there's a new message on the channel, and blue if there's a new message to me on the channel. There's also a really nice libnotify-plugin that will show a popup with the beginning of the message as a popup.

No need to poll the tabs.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 18, 2007 9:50 UTC (Thu) by massimiliano (subscriber, #3048) [Link]

No need for Gaim 2: I have 1.5.0, and it does the same thing.
This feature is also mentioned in the article as "color-coded tab tags".

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 18, 2007 12:39 UTC (Thu) by jospoortvliet (guest, #33164) [Link]

no need to poll the tabs in konversation, it'll color them, just like
konqueror does.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 25, 2007 11:29 UTC (Thu) by arcticwolf (guest, #8341) [Link]

Tools->Preferences. The option "[ ] Show IMs and and chats in tabbed windows" is right there on the first preferences tab (in 2.0.0beta6, but I'm sure it's been there for ages already).

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 16, 2007 19:20 UTC (Tue) by eli (guest, #11265) [Link]

Having recently delved into the IRC world, this is a very timely article.
I've been using ksirc mostly because it's what I found; but after this,
I'm going to have to give Konversation a try.

Thanks for a great article!

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 16, 2007 19:58 UTC (Tue) by stuart (subscriber, #623) [Link]

So the first omission I can think of is the free-beer Opera browser that has an IRC client.

And if we're going to mention non-graphical clients: everyone I know uses screen with irssi. The ability to reattach (via screen) to one's single irssi session with all your channels and pms in one is a great productivity killer :-)

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 16, 2007 20:25 UTC (Tue) by Sho (guest, #8956) [Link]

Notably irssi can also function as a proxy, so one can use one of the GUI clients to connect to irssi when possible and still fall back to attaching via ssh+screen when necessary.

ssh + screen + irssi

Posted Jan 16, 2007 20:31 UTC (Tue) by kmself (guest, #11565) [Link]

Amen.

I tend to leave an active session up to Freenode's #debian and a few other channels. Hop on and off as time permits. And irssi simply rocks.

I've tried a number of the graphical clients (Gaim, Kopete, Chatzilla, XChat), and would consider most of them stopgaps until I could get irssi installed and running on a system. They do have the advantage of being multi-protocol clients, however, generally supporting IRC, Jabber, AIM, YIM, and other protocols / chat services, which can have its uses.

Incidentally, if you are stuck with Gaim, there's a UI-de-crufting tool, Gaim Extended Preferences which I strongly recommend. Mostly succeeds in losing a bunch of real-estate grabbing icons and toolbars and leaving you with a simple conversation box, text entry, and user list. Almost not even annoying.

ssh + screen + irssi

Posted Jan 16, 2007 20:53 UTC (Tue) by Zero_Dogg (subscriber, #31310) [Link]

I use bitlbee (http://bitlbee.org) which turns my ssh+screen+irssi session into an IM client aswell as an IRC client. Quite useful.

bitlebee

Posted Jan 16, 2007 23:54 UTC (Tue) by mbligh (subscriber, #7720) [Link]

Yup, that's an awesome app ... seems to do everything gaim can do.
Most glaring ommision is skype support.

bitlebee

Posted Jan 17, 2007 15:06 UTC (Wed) by mbanck (guest, #9035) [Link]

I think I read somewhere sometime ago that Skype had made their text-based chat protocol open (maybe in response to the announcement of Google Talk), but since then I haven't heard anything about it. Quite a couple of my non-FLOSS friends use Skype, so I'd be interested in integrated text-based Skype chat in bitlbee or somehow otherwise.

Anybody know about this?

Michael

bitlebee

Posted Jan 18, 2007 8:53 UTC (Thu) by bni (guest, #27103) [Link]

I can join in in the praising of bitlbee. The fact that they run public servers that you can use for free is also very nice. Makes it very easy to get going.

bitlebee

Posted Feb 11, 2008 12:46 UTC (Mon) by LintuxCx (guest, #14448) [Link]

Actually there's a very nice plugin that adds Skype support via the official Skype API. See
the bug report for more information: http://bugs.bitlbee.org/bitlbee/ticket/82

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 16, 2007 20:26 UTC (Tue) by pointwood (guest, #2814) [Link]

I use Konversation and it fits my needs prett well. It's got more or less
all the features I need from an irc client and it's the best KDE based irc
client as far as I know. I don't understand what people have against tabs
in irc clients, I like to have each channel in its own tab, it works well
for the way I use irc.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 16, 2007 20:27 UTC (Tue) by lyda (guest, #7429) [Link]

I'd just like to plug bitlbee over gaim and the other multi-function chat clients. Bitlbee is a server process that on one side looks like an irc server and on the other looks like a series of chat clients (jabber, msn, yahoo, aol are the ones i use). You can connect to it with any irc client - graphical or not.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 16, 2007 21:37 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

There's at least two more Emacs IRC clients, zenirc and riece. All three
are in the XEmacs package system as well.

(I'm also an erc user on those rare occasions when I use IRC at all.)

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 17, 2007 2:53 UTC (Wed) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link]

Sounds like LWN.NET could use a good official IRC Channel!!

All these users want a nice place to try out their clients.

Plus it would be nice to agrue (Flamewar) with people in real-time rather then having to wait 20 minutes to a couple hours in between replies.

:-)

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 16, 2007 21:42 UTC (Tue) by cdarroch (subscriber, #26812) [Link]

I mostly work outside of IRC, but have to "listen in" on a number of sessions throughout the day, on different servers. For me, the great advantage of KVIrc over others I've tried (which is by no means all of them) is that it has an excellent system tray notification system. There's a single icon, with four sub-icons that indicate the specific kind of activity going on, e.g., chat, a private query, a server notification. Even better, they can be set to light up in red when your IRC nick is used, and a small, transparent overlay window pops up to display the text which triggered the alert. There's also a helpful beep. (The overlay window even has tabs, if two or more channels happen to be active at the same time.) This all lets me ignore most of the IRC traffic and just get pinged when someone's asking me something -- but without the IRC client forcing me to pay immediate attention if it's not warranted.

Also, if you right-click on the icons in the Window List sidebar, you can use the "Undock" and "Dock" options to detach an IRC window from the main KVIrc window. It then becomes just a regular desktop window until you "Dock" it again. KVIrc will remember these settings after you exit the program. Personally, I undock everything except the server notification "console" windows and then minimize them all. (Actually, I use KDE's special window settings to automatically place them where I want them and minimize them as soon as they're opened.) I'd agree that having everything contained in the main window is just frustrating. Oh, and you can adjust the backgrounds so they're opaque.

Another important feature when you're sitting on public IRC channels is that if you accidentally cut-and-paste in a chunk of text from a confidential document, it isn't immediately sent out over the wire just because it contains some newlines. KVIrc sends such text to a multi-line buffer where you have to explicitly hit Ctrl-Enter to send it.

KVIrc also lets you tune the fonts and colours it uses, can automate the use of NickServ, and can be programmed to automatically log into specific servers and channels at startup. For me, that means that I can start KVIrc with a click and then forget all about it until someone pings me. Perfect.

There are some annoyances, of course. Having to use Alt-K to get to the menu with the Quit option seems odd to me. Sometimes -- maybe only with older versions, though -- per-server configuration changes I'd made wouldn't be saved, perhaps because I closed the configuration window but didn't click "OK" or "Apply". It would be nice to be able to configure the colours of the multi-line input buffer. Finding configuration options among all the choices can be difficult.

But, overall, version 3.2.0 makes using IRC so pleasantly forgettable that I'd recommend taking a second look at it.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 17, 2007 10:58 UTC (Wed) by chmouel (subscriber, #6335) [Link]

There is as well rcirc for Emacs that does the job, and for some it does better than erc, see it here : http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/rcirc

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 17, 2007 16:11 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

First application for a strong AI: automatically writing new Emacs IRC clients at a rate of several hundred per hour. :)

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 17, 2007 16:57 UTC (Wed) by mbanck (guest, #9035) [Link]

Another one of note:

The GNOME instant messaging program gossip has recently acquired IRC support through the excellent telepathy framework. So this combination might supersede gaim in every espect for people generally liking the GNOME way.

Michael

Tabs in ERC

Posted Jan 17, 2007 18:24 UTC (Wed) by rfrancoise (subscriber, #15508) [Link]

See http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ErcTabs but I'm not sure if the patch still applies, or even if it's still needed.

Tabs in ERC

Posted Jan 18, 2007 10:23 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

It's certainly not needed in XEmacs, where (sadly undermaintained) buffer tabs have been part of the editor for years.

Crucial ERC feature

Posted Jan 18, 2007 3:00 UTC (Thu) by smitty_one_each (subscriber, #28989) [Link]

Emacs cares not a fig whether you've got an X session or not.
It can be very helpful to hit irc.freenode.net for words o' wisdom when world !worky-worky.

Chatzilla also available for Firefox

Posted Jan 20, 2007 4:49 UTC (Sat) by kingdon (guest, #4526) [Link]

Chatzilla is also available as a Firefox plugin. I've been recommending it to Windows users (in the "what's IRC?" context), and using it myself.

It works fine for me, but my usage pattern is apparently different from the Grumpy Editor - I only go into one channel and don't (deliberately, anyway), ever list all the channels on my server.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Jan 25, 2007 11:36 UTC (Thu) by arcticwolf (guest, #8341) [Link]

Gaim windows use smooth scrolling, a feature your editor got tired of back in the VT100 days; unfortunately, there appears to be no easy way to turn it off.

Tools->Preferences->Conversations->[ ] Use smooth-scrolling. Yeah, GAIM's preferences really need to be reorganised to make more sense, but it's there.

Private messages result in the quiet creation of a new tab - something which can be easy for the user to miss. In general, the handling of private messages in IRC clients seems a little awkward.

Tools->Preferences->Interface has lots of options for handling tabs; for example, even if you have tabs enabled, you can have select where to place new conversations (including "New window").

Gaim also doesn't take the hint when all of its windows are closed; one must explicitly tell it to go away by selecting "Quit" from the "Buddies" menu in the "Buddy list" window - something your editor found less than entirely intuitive.

That's a feature, actually. GAIM is primarily an IM client that also handles IRC, not the other way around. Would you really want your IM client to exit whenever you stop talking to the last person? Seriously, that makes about as much sense as your MUA quitting as soon as you have no unread mail in your inbox anymore.

(On a side note, though, thinking about it, I'm not even sure why this kind of behaviour would be desirable in an IRC client. I at least would be very annoyed if it exited automatically as soon as I left all channels.)

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Feb 22, 2007 19:15 UTC (Thu) by velociraptor (guest, #43566) [Link]

"That's a feature, actually. GAIM is primarily an IM client that also handles IRC, not the other way around. Would you really want your IM client to exit whenever you stop talking to the last person? Seriously, that makes about as much sense as your MUA quitting as soon as you have no unread mail in your inbox anymore."

I think what the GE meant by unintuitive in this case was not closing the last "chat" window, but closing the Buddy List window. Instead, GAIM still runs in the background, and you have to right click the tray icon to "really" exit. Iirc, <Alt-Q> is a recent addition to the Buddy menu, but I've just started to use GAIM again recently and can't say for sure.

Trillian (Windows) behaves the same way. I don't grokked the decision to not exit when the Buddy list is closed, either, so GE is not alone.

The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients

Posted Feb 1, 2007 2:03 UTC (Thu) by zid (guest, #43081) [Link]

BitchX locking up when retrieving the channel list has nothing to do with XChat. The IRC protocol is like this, you do a LIST, you're stuck doing a LIST.


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