Spin and baloney
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| vainrveenr Aug 09, 2007 8:57 PM EDT |
Actually spoke to several people who attended LinuxWorld and received same info as Galli. Hovsepian said:
Quoting:"Microsoft is a reality inside that mixed-source world, and the acceptance of this will be a critical part of the industry's success going forward. But we will compete and battle them, and our goal is to win. We have 20 years of battling Microsoft in our blood,"Novell had a nice big exhibition close to the entrance and it was certainly marketing SLED and products working on SLED-only. The exhibition was apparently designed to primarily attract highly server-integrated potential partnering companies (clients), or so this was emphasized by some of the attendees. Apparently several mid-level managerial types fro Microsoft itself were spotted around this area! But...,,, it certainly was NOT nearly as developer or desktop end-user -oriented during these days of SFLinuxWorld Way off in the .org pavilion, OpenSuSE's presence was notably missing, but then again, Linspire was understandably absent from this area as well. Seems clear that Hovsepian was spouting his mouth off to put down any of those very .org's and startups of not salivating over his spin, rather than mentioning any possible regrets over the Novell-Microsoft Deal. Gee, come to think of these attendees' feedbacks and Hovsepian's speech, Hovsepian's tone in this is remarkably similar to ex-Linspire CEO Carmony's GPLv3-bashing/FUD-inspiring/spin-meistering diatribes over the last few months, isn't it. To wit: - GPLv3 - Unforseen Consequences? by Kevin Carmony, http://www.linspire.com/linspire_letter_archives.php?id=47 - Microsoft Will Help Deliver a "Better" Linux by Kevin Carmony, http://www.linspire.com/linspire_letter_archives.php?id=48 - Is Linux Splitting into Two Factions? by Kevin Carmony, http://www.linspire.com/linspire_letter_archives.php?id=49 In this last Carmony FUD is his section 'The Moral High Ground'. Now, as reported at SJVN's coverage of his resignation at http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/90797/index.html, Carmony can now, in a sense, take his own "Moral High Ground" choices. Who at Novell will take the Moral High Ground since Hovsepian deigns to avoid this? Bye, bye Ronnie....... Those who refuse to learn from History are doomed to repeat it. |
| herzeleid Aug 09, 2007 9:59 PM EDT |
Quoting: Way off in the .org pavilion, OpenSuSE's presence was notably missingHuh? I was there, I have pictures of the opensuse booth, and a suse 10.2 DVD they gave me. Also, during the time I was there, a Novell guy came by and was chatting amicably with the opensuse folks. Speaking of absent, redhat was conspicuously so - I think there may have been a fedora booth but that's it. |
| tuxchick Aug 09, 2007 10:07 PM EDT |
Quoting: We have 20 years of battling Microsoft in our blood Shouldn't that be: Quoting: We have 20 years of bathing Microsoft with our blood If they had actually won a battle or two, that would be bragworthy. It seems that "mixed-source" is the buzzword du jour, and is code for "do what Microsoft says." |
| flufferbeer Aug 10, 2007 8:48 AM EDT |
@vainrveenr
"Way off in the .org pavilion, OpenSuSE's presence was notably missing" Actually, it WAS really there, although seemingly more relegated to the back corner, and having not nearly as large a presence as the main SUSE area near the main entrance to the exhibits. All the way at the very rightmost back corner (from the entrance that is) sandwiched in a little area between the bearded Earth Treasury guy and the Boingo Wireless folks. "Who at Novell will take the Moral High Ground since Hovsepian deigns to avoid this? Bye, bye Ronnie....... " If Ron Hovsepian attracts significantly more customers and business through his current intentions through his speech, then he will probably stay on at Novell longer than Kevin Carmony with Linspire, Moral High Ground or not. OTOH, if the Novell bloodstream ends up getting slowly sucked dry by M$ following its Novell-Microsoft Deal, then one can expect to see future signs of the heightened effect of this by - a decline of partnerships or M&A's - a lack of release of new products or unscheduled/unacceptable product delays - management re-arrangement and re-strategizing under Hovsepian's guidance - Ronald Hovsepian being replaced in a similar or dissimilar fashion as Kevin Carmony wih Linspire - further attrition and defections among the greater Novell workforce - decline in Novell stock and stockholder displeasure - drastic cost-cutting measures along with deeper and deeper employee layoffs @tuxchick As a worst-case scenario, some combination of the above way down the line leading to Novell's getting whittled down to being Embraced, Extended and Extinguished. As you wrote "Shouldn't that be: We have 20 years of bathing Microsoft with our blood" @herzeleid "Huh? I was there, I have pictures of the opensuse booth, and a suse 10.2 DVD they gave me. Also, during the time I was there, a Novell guy came by and was chatting amicably with the opensuse folks." I actually attended this event too. Interesting opening-day party in downtown SF with a Hawaiian-like theme, and sponsored by ACCESS Mobile, its exhibition booth right across from Novell's in the very front near the entrance. At the Novell exhibit itself, the sales rep-type guy I met also was somewhat amicable, although this guy visibly went out of his way to steer some suit-types to a manager higher up. "Speaking of absent, redhat was conspicuously so - I think there may have been a fedora booth but that's it." There certainly was a Fedora booth in the .Org area, but no, no RedHat itself. The Fedora booth had its banner stretched out conspicuously wide though, and seemed to be nicely visited. Same for Ubuntu. Also noticed that there were no Linspire persons, nor were there any persons from Xandros out and about. All in all, the .Org area seemed much more crowded than the Next Generation Data Center area on the other side of the hall, notwithstanding all the freebies and scheduled product presentations the latter were providing to gather customers. Unsurprisingly, I missed finding anyone from Samsung in the Next Generation Data Center. |
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