Any GPL3 stuff in there?
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| tracyanne Aug 20, 2008 11:30 PM CST |
nt |
| Sander_Marechal Aug 21, 2008 1:14 AM CST |
Probably. You can bet that FSF has relicensed all of GNU under GPLv3 when that license came out. I dout very much that Novell is building the next Suse with an old GNU userland. |
| tracyanne Aug 21, 2008 2:23 AM CST |
Actually Novell specifically stated that thye would include GLP3 software as it became available. So I'm quite sure they aren't using pre GPL3 libraries and software. |
| dinotrac Aug 21, 2008 7:51 AM CST |
The GPL would not prevent Microsoft from acting as a Linux reseller. |
| Sander_Marechal Aug 21, 2008 8:29 AM CST |
No, but it means that any alleged Microsoft IP in those GPLv3 apps is out in the open and Free. See the patent clauses in GPLv3. |
| Libervis Aug 21, 2008 1:08 PM CST |
So.. with GPLv3 in there and and the biggest software company in the world actively selling Linux... how much better can it get? As a good friend told me Freedomware has actually won the war, we just aren't aware of it yet and are too used to fighting. :P OK, there's also the desktop market, but that's more about expansion than winning. Free Software isn't just allowed to exist so that those who want more control over their computers can have it. It is expanding beyond that. Though I wouldn't say things like mono aren't an issue, at the very least because it's totally bloated an unnecessary, but that's a whole other war. The war for survival is won. Linux and Freedomware in general can't and AREN'T being ignored. Right? |
| azerthoth Aug 21, 2008 1:35 PM CST |
>>> As a good friend told me Freedomware has actually won the war, we just aren't aware of it yet and are too used to fighting. I can't agree with won, however the sentiment is closer to the truth than not. |
| dinotrac Aug 21, 2008 2:10 PM CST |
Sander - Not in the US, it doesn't --- not if Microsoft is merely acting as a reseller. They would be in the same position as, say, BestBuy if BestBuy sold Linux and discovered that some app developer had stolen some of their code or infringed one of their patents. |
| NoDough Aug 21, 2008 2:24 PM CST |
Yes, but BestBuy would then stop selling it. What if BestBuy "discovered" Linux infringing its patents first, then started selling it after the discovery? |
| dinotrac Aug 21, 2008 4:48 PM CST |
NoDough - Shouldn't make no nevermind. What makes you think that that such knowledge -- or, to be legally correct, belief -- would make a difference? |
| NoDough Aug 21, 2008 5:55 PM CST |
Unclean hands. |
| dinotrac Aug 21, 2008 5:58 PM CST |
Unclean hands? No. |
| NoDough Aug 21, 2008 6:01 PM CST |
Why not? After all, the plaintiff would be profiting from the same infringements as the defendant. |
| dinotrac Aug 21, 2008 8:15 PM CST |
NoDough -- Because the plaintiff has every right to profit from it's IP. There is nothing unclean about it. |
| azerthoth Aug 22, 2008 1:19 AM CST |
The question would be, for the courts, does a reseller qualify as a distributor in regards to the restrictions of the GPL. We can have all the opinions that we want on the topic, from lay people and from people educated and familiar with the legal system(s). In the end it remains to what the lawyers can convince a judge and jury is reality, not common sense, but which side can argue it's version of reality best. Even that is not as simple as it sounds, think about it for a second, several multi-nationals arguing an international copyright license. True that of the atleast three sides the lions share will be U.S. based but that would not stop the case from being initiated in almost any country that has dealings with all, say the U.K. or Germany. Even in the U.S. which courts would be friendliest to which side? |
| rijelkentaurus Aug 22, 2008 3:58 AM CST |
Does it make a difference that Microsoft is not only allowing but actively participating in selling "their IP" as GPL2/3? I mean, do they lose standing by letting it happen? |
| Sander_Marechal Aug 22, 2008 5:21 AM CST |
Only a judge can tell you that with any kind of certainty rijelkentaurus. |
| dinotrac Aug 22, 2008 12:23 PM CST |
rijel - In the US, it makes no difference. Sander - Sounds like the Netherlands has a vastly different legal system from the US. In the US, judges are mainly referees. |
| Sander_Marechal Aug 22, 2008 5:17 PM CST |
@dino: I did mean the US actually. Let me expand: Only a judge can tell that by ruling in a case that in which a party argues what rijelkentaurus is asking about. |
| dinotrac Aug 23, 2008 6:47 AM CST |
Sander - That's not true for most things. First, a lot of law really is pretty well settled. Second, in many cases, it's not even a judge making the decision, it's a jury. |
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