KDE or Kubuntu
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| Author | Content |
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| kenholmz Nov 08, 2009 2:23 PM EDT |
I have left a response directly to the original article. I cannot respect the authors findings about KDE based on one or a hundred installs of Kubuntu (or any other disto). I am writing this posting using Konqueror running on Pardus. Pardus is running inside a Virtualbox virtual machine. Pardus is running full screen and has 256 MB of RAM available. The host machine runs a 1.8 Ghz Athlon 64 processor with 2GB of RAM. I am connecting to the Internet through an IPCop box and dial-up. My experience in this virtual machine with these limitations is better than the authors apparent direct installs on three computers. I am not trying to say KDE is perfect but I do find the author's experience to be limited in the extreme. |
| xvalentinex Nov 08, 2009 3:26 PM EDT |
Agreed kenholmz, but since the blogger wants to censor anything negative about him, whilst spewing negativity on others. I'm going to post my response here. Pretty much all of your complaints boil down to your choice in distribution (Kubuntu), _not_ KDE. KDE currently doesn't manage your network in any way (except for setting a global proxy/socks server), which is what the bulk of your problems boil down to. Seriously? How can you blame KDE for your apt-get command being slow? To save time, I'm not going to refute everything that is wrong. The only complaints that are legitimate is konqueror not being compatible with some pages, and on occasion I have experienced an application not loading and giving a bouncing icon. Perhaps you should re-title your post to "Kubuntu, one year later." P.S. I am in no way affiliated with the KDE dev team, just a KDE fanboy. |
| jdixon Nov 08, 2009 3:34 PM EDT |
If you want to use either KDE or XFCE there are better choices than Ubuntu. Ubuntu is a fairly good Gnome distribution, but it's derivatives leave quite a bit to be desired. |
| hkwint Nov 08, 2009 5:29 PM EDT |
Quoting:but it's derivatives leave quite a bit to be desired. More developers and testers. That's what the Kubuntu-team themselves say. Pardus is funded / developed by the Turkish National Research Institute, that's probably why it's better: Turkey spends money and efforts on it, Canonical doesn't. |
| kenholmz Nov 08, 2009 5:55 PM EDT |
@hkwint No doubt you are quite correct. Still, Ian MacGregor purported to rate KDE, not the specific implementation of KDE on Kubuntu. In my first post above I didn't mention that my host machine is running OpenSUSE 11.2 rc (with updates). I can run Pardus with KDE 4.x inside of OpenSUSE with KDE 4.x and still have a more satisfactory experience than Mr. MacGregor reports on Kubuntu. I hope the Kubuntu folks make progress as well, but Ian would do well to report on the distro rather than say he is reporting on KDE. |
| caitlyn Nov 08, 2009 7:47 PM EDT |
I'm also impressed with Pardus. I'm also curious to see how VectorLinux SOHO turns out this time around. I've looked at the alpha and it does look promising and, as usual, very well tuned in terms of performance. |
| xvalentinex Nov 08, 2009 8:11 PM EDT |
Ubuntu would do better to devote more time to it's gnome based system, and drop the spin-offs. As jdixon pointed out, the derivatives aren't near the state of main Ubuntu. In the long run, this leads users to blame the different Desktop Environments, when it's really the base system that is flawed. And you don't need a well funded entity to make KDE work. I use Arch Linux, which basically has a vanilla KDE, and it runs perfectly on my systems. In this aspect I completely agree with this part of Ian's post: "Can you imagine what a Windows user trying to migrate to Linux would think if Kubuntu 9.10 were the first environment they attempted to use? What would be their overall opinion of Linux? I stand by my opinion that Kubuntu is hurting the Linux community" Right up until he suggests that Kubuntu should fork the 3.x series, instead Kubuntu should just cease to exist. |
| tracyanne Nov 08, 2009 11:55 PM EDT |
I used to love KDE, I fell out of love with KDE with 4, and noting I've seen so far (Mandriva and Kubuntu) has changed that even slightly. |
| hkwint Nov 09, 2009 6:07 AM EDT |
Quoting:And you don't need a well funded entity to make KDE work. Of course not, but you need a devoted group of people spending efforts on it. And from what I understood, that's not the case for Kubuntu at this moment. I saw Arch supports the newest KDE environment (been contemplating migrating to Arch, that's why I was looking), so I suspect they put some efforts in it. So do Novell and Mandriva, but because those are companies, 'efforts' translate to 'money'. Apart from that, it's a bit strange IMHO that while Canonical spends money on Ubuntu, they don't seem to spend much money on Kubuntu. Some people - like me - are looking for a good KDE binary distro, but I'm afraid at this time Kubuntu is not one of them. |
| caitlyn Nov 09, 2009 11:45 AM EDT |
@ta: KDE 4 is definitely better since 4.2.4 and much better with 4.3.2. OK, it's still slow and bloated but so was KDE 3. Neither Kubuntu nor Mandriva do the best KDE implementations. |
| kenholmz Nov 09, 2009 1:54 PM EDT |
@tracyanne
I don't make changes easily once I have rooted in something. The move to KDE 4 is made because my choices have become limited. I will no doubt be using KDE primarily still, but now that I can do virtual machines more easily I will no doubt spend more time becoming better acquainted with other interfaces. As an aside I want to make note of a site that has multiple VM Player vmachines available. These are supposedly optimized for VM Player on Windows. Based on running some of them I can believe it. The is the fastest and easiest I have ever been able to try out various installs. This is on campus where Windows XP is primary. On my personal desktop on campus I run Windows XP in VMWare server (or as I like to put it, I run Windows in a Window). |
| kenholmz Nov 09, 2009 2:00 PM EDT |
Oh, I felt like I was forgetting something... The site is: http://www.bagside.com |
| tuxtom Nov 09, 2009 4:59 PM EDT |
KDE has become the Betamax of Linux desktop environments. |
| azerthoth Nov 09, 2009 5:38 PM EDT |
Just wait for Gnome3 (or kGnome as I have been calling it) video card cant do compositing so sad guess you cant run it. |
| Sander_Marechal Nov 09, 2009 5:50 PM EDT |
But Betamax was qualitatively superior. That's not what I am gathering from this thread. |
| gus3 Nov 09, 2009 6:04 PM EDT |
@Sander: One could also make a case that the video and audio reproduction on Betamax was quantitatively superior. Of course, Betamax is also a textbook case for the dangers of "keeping it under our strict control." Sony did itself no favor with that attitude. |
| wolfen69 Nov 09, 2009 11:19 PM EDT |
Every distro I've tried with KDE4 is still glitchy. I have completely lost faith in it, and will not be trying again for a long time. It looks great, but it's still not there yet. For me, gnome works flawlessly. KDE is junk. |
| jfd5xte Nov 09, 2009 11:42 PM EDT |
This Ian MacGregor guy is a troll-- removing comments after people started calling him on his mis-characterizations. As many have already pointed out above, the article is riddled with ridiculously misplaced blame, such as blaming kde for problems w/ package management. I had a more detailed critique on the comments of his site, but I see they are all (surprisingly) missing now. Troll. |
| Libervis Nov 10, 2009 6:58 AM EDT |
I think it's a horrible review... Kubuntu may not be the best implementation of the KDE desktop, but it's nowhere near this bad even in my pretty bad experience of it back with KDE 4.1 (Kubuntu 9.04). I currently use Kubuntu 9.10 primarily and while there are still some occasional issues, the overall experience is quite good. KDE is getting better and better with every release. A year more when it will probably see a 4.5 release I think it should be super solid, while GNOME 3 will be just getting started. |
| hkwint Nov 10, 2009 7:25 PM EDT |
Quoting:KDE is getting better and better with every release. Given the 63k commits and 10k bugs squashed only between KDE 4.2 and 4.3, and 2k feature requests implemented the last 6 moths I'd say that's true. I doubt if big software firms can work that quick. OTOH, even minor glitches (like depending on MySQL while not actually using it) - or people mad at "dolphin replacing konq" are sometimes enough not to use it, consumers are picky. |
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