Penguin Counter Penguin: You Say Tomato, I say "Desktop"!
You Say Tomato, I say Desktop! by Dean Pannell and Paul Ferris, LXer.com contributors.
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Nice Graphics!
My contributions were limited to insightful and highly accurate commentary.
What about all the "little guy" comments in there? I see you wasted not time at all in attacking my vertically challenged stature.
You've spent way too much time with your mottled flesh pressed against the monitor screen in a vain attempt to become one with your system.
Besides, why would I attack what you laughingly call your height? There's not enough there to make fun of.
SEE -- SEE WHAT I MEAN!?!?! Will I never get any respect from you?!?!
Oh, wait, I already know the answer to that... ;)
It's not that I don't respect you, it's ... hmmnmm. Let me think about that for a while. You might be right after all.
"It's not small, it's thin!"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205000/quotes
-Tool
--FeriCyde
Holy sheit, is that "the Tool"? The one and only, as in the original Tool???
SeanConnery315? Lol, it's gotta be! Hey man how have you been? Visit http://www.schwach.net and shoot me an email!
-schwach
-Tool
Why don't you have your initials etched on the back of your head? It'd be more obvious than the cuff-links, and people would be more inclined to look there ;)
PS: It's FeriCyde. Get the spelling right... Do I have to tell you everything?!?
Penguin Counter Penguin? You mean, PCP??
Schwach
It could be worse, though, those penguins could have my face plastered on them ;)
:)
btw: This is a cool site!
I see how you are! You thought you could slip that insult by real sly-like, but it's plain as day to the mechanical engineer in me -- thought you'd be all c lever-like and pull a fast one, didn't you?!?! Riveting could mean "oh, it's hard to take your eyes off" -- or it could mean "a cheap bond", like it's not welded or implying shoddy workmanship.
You mechanical snob hackers are all alike. You crouch in the dust of your workshops, nothing but the glow of the arc welders and the smell of smouldering grease to guide your way. You pretend to be giving out compliments like "wow, that's a real piece of work" -- but it's obvious that your words have double meanings. I suspect you might even be implicating sarcasm (how dare you!).
But I'm onto you now! I sense foul-play (penguin play?) of the most tactile sort. You can keep your rivet gun hidden, but your intentions are now obvious to everyone. Soon (SOON!) we'll all rise up and bind, we'll stick together against you and your kind -- like we're rubber and you're glue, the insults will bounce off and stick to you.
Kinda poetic that. Sorry...
Then, THEN, we'll see who's fasten-ating!
-Tool
And you Know what I mean -- don't make me pull up vi and prove it ;)
--FeriCylinder
Who is this 'Toadie' guy that voted against this story?
You know all too well who I am.
Sure, I've been a little quite these last two or three years, but that doesn't mean I'm dead.
We've been very busy up here at RedmondWare, and the Billionaire has been licking his chops (literally. Guy just loves lunch meetings and pork chops) over the chance to put you little bird droppings in your place.
Just remember -- Herring are little fish. Mighty little fish. We are a big fish.
And -- we've reloaded. Check out the analyst's firms. Over the last couple of years, SellThemAnythingSoLongAsItsOursAndCostsABundle has been at work recruiting analysts at impartial research firms.
We've already got I'llSayAnythiingSoLongAsYouPayMe and ItIsn'tReallyaLieIfThePriceIsright on board, with more to come.
To heck with mincemeat. How about a little Penguin hash?
Dave
Of course shameless self promotion by starting multiple threads under his own story, should be setting off every bell and whistle.
Why else would our valued (to the penny) customers stick with products that break, that invite goblins into their homes and, if only we could get the robotics to work, would kick the family dog?
Somebody called him. I saw warthawg on the voter list, and we all know who that is...
Here's a hint: It ain't no northern pretty boy.
You Linux lovers are all alike. Afraid of a good fight, you have to call big brother. The Billionaire's not afraid of anybody. He'll take anybody on, and all he needs is his own two hands, his money, his lawyers, his bodyguards and all of the politicians he's contributed to.
Will you two shut-up?
I don't know if anyone here agrees with the following or not. But I am going to ask anyway. Imagine a polite voice, sincerely asking you to stop with your (in my opinion) pointless trolling and articles. This applies to Paul Ferris (whoever you are) and his sycophant sidekick(s). After years of trying to find a news source that was well rounded, Linux only intended and not full of horrible graphics and near useless editorials I hit paydirt with lxer.
Now I have a few minor issues with this site, but it has proved itself a great source for news. And until I meet my personal levels for perfection I don't intend to impose those same values upon a mere website.
Until recently.
Now I discover that the site has been invaded by a pair (and more) of people who seem to live so far in the past that they still think it necessary to debate the issues of Linux on the Desktop.
You seem to feel the need to debate the relevancy of Linux. Linux exists in it's own world and is well beyond being stopable. The only question anyone needs to ask is are you with us? The train already left, but the beauty of Open Source (and especially GPL) is that anyone can get on and join the party, at anytime.
The articles being published are editorials, and I would claim they are not very good ones. This would not be a problem. Once I saw the name attached to the story I could avoid it, and have been doing so (like any other news source I consider bad). However once upon a time the comments were worth reading too. I saw some good debates (mostly about Sun) but they were often good and informative, if sometimes badly written.
Now as soon as a certain small number of names appear in the comments section I know that those comments have been reduced to low sarcasm, and humor that would be considered pathetic by an eight year old school boy. And rarely providing anything that could be considered information.
Neither of you (and possibly your hangers-on) appears to actually know anything. I could be wrong, and if you want to prove that then fine, please do so with stories that are news worthy.
This site is a Linux _news_ site. There is no-one here looking to be converted to Linux. Those here already know. So if you are going to write editorials can you keep them to issues that people might actually want to read? How about articles on configuring strange applications, or how to do specific things?
I believe in freedom of speech, and positively encourage it, but I also believe in a level of personal responsability, which means understanding that no matter how often or how loudly you shout, there are people who find you utterly irrelevant. I am one of those with regards you guys.
I don't really wish to have some grand debate. I am merely letting you know that there is a level of discontent with the way you behave on this website. I may be the only one, in which case I shall know that you are just people who naturally get on my nerves, and it is therefore my issue to deal with. I will deal with it by not saying anything more to you and avoiding all your articles and comments.
Just so as you know.
You don't enjoy low level sarcastic humour. This site didn't have it before and now it's all over the place.
It's okay really. Not everybody enjoys quick wit, sarcastic comebacks, between people who would be friends if they actually liked each other.
Other than the Sun threads with Taldeste, this site is pretty quiet. A couple of posts a day,at least until recently.
Also Linux on the Desktop isn't solved yet. It's not yet being installed by default in any kinds of numbers. Until somebody starts shipping OEM Linux installs by the millions the debate will still go on.
I am sorry that you don't their childish tit-for tat humour, I hope you stay and just ignore their posts. At least until you find your 'prefect' webite. Meanwhile I will take what I find, realizing that the 'prefect' news website doesn't exsist unless you create it your self. Being lazy I am not going to do that. That and I am to harsh of a critic on myself.
Also take a look at http://www.machighlight.com One guy likes tech and Apple news and created a simple site just for that. Maybe you can use a similar format. and if you do, please post it here. That way when the noise gets to much the rest of us can wander over.
That said, I am equally comfortable responding to a couple of points:
1. C'mon. It doesn't take an Einstein to recognize that pieces called rant mode=1 or penguin/counter penguin are not hard news pieces. You're free to think they are dreck and to ignore them, but you can't claim that you were bamboozled into reading them without admitting that you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
2. You're just plain wrong on some key points.
Paul and I have never debated the relevance of Linux. We both use it every day and have both planted it in corporate environments.
We both believe that Linux and free software constitute a powerful force in the real world. To say that Linux is unstoppable is to live in fairy-tale land. If you've been in the business for as long as Paul and I have, you've seen a number of "unstoppable" forces: IBM, Lotus, Sun, Microsoft, Intel, to name a few. Everything is stoppable. Everything. A little hubris, a few stupid moves ... and ...WHAM!
Desktop Linux, by the way, is not resolved among Linux supporters. Just yesterday, I spoke with a colleague who wished Linux developers would stop wasting time on the desktop and concentrate on polishing the server room stuff.
Beyond that, there are those who don't care about attracting new users or think that people will somehow flock to Linux if only it comes pre-installed.
For that matter, sometimes its ok just to offer a little encouragement who have seen desktop linux be "just around the corner" for the last five years.
At any rate, I hope you continue to visit lxer, even if you skip the things I write.
But it was in there!
Humor is subjective, so how about leaving those of us who enjoy the elevated, sophisticated Three Stooges-type drollery in peace. You are welcome to make your own contributions.
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Oh, and the article is pretty good too. FeriTool & TinoTrash both make caramelizing points on this heated topic, which I have no opinion of just before lunch.
-Tool