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39 earlier comments in the full thread.
Funding methods.... Ok, I am remembering a "software bounty" system, but I cannot remember what it was called.
I want a feature, I post it with a promise of my $20 or $200, whatever.
Other people sign up, with their own donations.
When a developer submits their answer, and it satisfies the requirements, they get the money.
On a completely different tack, So where are the commercial applications that do the sort of thing you need? Has anyone written to them to tell them they have a customer if they will port to Linux?
I want a feature, I post it with a promise of my $20 or $200, whatever.
Other people sign up, with their own donations.
When a developer submits their answer, and it satisfies the requirements, they get the money.
On a completely different tack, So where are the commercial applications that do the sort of thing you need? Has anyone written to them to tell them they have a customer if they will port to Linux?
Yep I think that's it, software bounty.
> So where are the commercial applications that do the sort of thing you need? Has anyone written to them to tell them they have a customer if they will port to Linux?
Adobe Premiere comes to mind, but there are other shareware apps. The thing is, though, I don't want to use proprietary software if I can help it so just porting a proprietary program to Linux isn't exactly the goal. I could then just run it in WINE or have a dual boot with XP.
The goal is to have an equivalent that is freedomware and which is actually very good for the job. That is what I find more worth paying for.
I guess, maybe a software bounty can be organized to buy out the source code of a given shareware app and then release it under freedomware terms, but that'd be a lot more money perhaps than paying a programmer to make a new one (or improve on the code of the existing freedomware app).
> So where are the commercial applications that do the sort of thing you need? Has anyone written to them to tell them they have a customer if they will port to Linux?
Adobe Premiere comes to mind, but there are other shareware apps. The thing is, though, I don't want to use proprietary software if I can help it so just porting a proprietary program to Linux isn't exactly the goal. I could then just run it in WINE or have a dual boot with XP.
The goal is to have an equivalent that is freedomware and which is actually very good for the job. That is what I find more worth paying for.
I guess, maybe a software bounty can be organized to buy out the source code of a given shareware app and then release it under freedomware terms, but that'd be a lot more money perhaps than paying a programmer to make a new one (or improve on the code of the existing freedomware app).
>I guess, maybe a software bounty can be organized to buy out the source code of a given shareware app and then release it under freedomware terms
That's more or less what happened with Blender.
The company producing Blender was folding up shop, and a foundation raised money to buy out the IP and turn it into free software.
That's more or less what happened with Blender.
The company producing Blender was folding up shop, and a foundation raised money to buy out the IP and turn it into free software.
dinotrac:
I'll just say this. War doesn't bring more freedom, but less. People believe otherwise and sometimes believing otherwise makes them feel better (as victims of war), but... reality is agnostic to both feelings and beliefs. It's one thing to respect and admire someone who fought for what he believed in. It is another to accept what he believed in as your own beliefs just because he believed strongly enough to die for it.
But I understand that it's hard to accept this when it's beliefs of your loved one that are in question.
Regards
I'll just say this. War doesn't bring more freedom, but less. People believe otherwise and sometimes believing otherwise makes them feel better (as victims of war), but... reality is agnostic to both feelings and beliefs. It's one thing to respect and admire someone who fought for what he believed in. It is another to accept what he believed in as your own beliefs just because he believed strongly enough to die for it.
But I understand that it's hard to accept this when it's beliefs of your loved one that are in question.
Regards
>War doesn't bring more freedom, but less
Blanket statements lead to blanket mistakes.
War is a purely bad thing. There is nothing good to be said about it.
Bondage is also a bad thing. I don't think there is much good to be said about it, either.
When people are determined to enforce bondage with guns, you get to stay in bondage or go to war.
It's better for bondage to disappear on its own, but, in the meantime, I will not begrudge the chained their fights for freedom.
Blanket statements lead to blanket mistakes.
War is a purely bad thing. There is nothing good to be said about it.
Bondage is also a bad thing. I don't think there is much good to be said about it, either.
When people are determined to enforce bondage with guns, you get to stay in bondage or go to war.
It's better for bondage to disappear on its own, but, in the meantime, I will not begrudge the chained their fights for freedom.
dinotrac, I'll quote what I said about that point earlier:
"I wont deny it that many people going into such wars genuinely believe they are protecting freedom, but I cannot agree. Outright wars like the ones US people are fighting in the name of freedom are like using shotgun to kill a wasp that stinged you and then shooting up the whole of their hive in the name of "protecting" yourself. Can you see where I'm getting at?"
Also:
"Also, you speak of these invaders as if there was a constant threat of a bunch of foreigners invading your own home as soon as the US army retires. Ever read "1984"? This state of constant fear is what justifies never ending warring and stripping away of freedom in the name of your own security."
Do you want USA to be Oceania or the free country?
The problem is that war contributes to more bondage than it resolves.
If someone came to your house to rob or hurt you then you can use defensive force. Same applies to all other people. But launching full scale military assaults on the country from which you *think* the attacker originated and calling that "defense" is just ludicrous.
"I wont deny it that many people going into such wars genuinely believe they are protecting freedom, but I cannot agree. Outright wars like the ones US people are fighting in the name of freedom are like using shotgun to kill a wasp that stinged you and then shooting up the whole of their hive in the name of "protecting" yourself. Can you see where I'm getting at?"
Also:
"Also, you speak of these invaders as if there was a constant threat of a bunch of foreigners invading your own home as soon as the US army retires. Ever read "1984"? This state of constant fear is what justifies never ending warring and stripping away of freedom in the name of your own security."
Do you want USA to be Oceania or the free country?
The problem is that war contributes to more bondage than it resolves.
If someone came to your house to rob or hurt you then you can use defensive force. Same applies to all other people. But launching full scale military assaults on the country from which you *think* the attacker originated and calling that "defense" is just ludicrous.
Ye gods. I vote for marking this thread "totally pointless" and closing it.
Not really pointless.. just containing too many points on too many fronts for a single thread. :P
I don't mind if it's closed really.. just don't delete it. I don't think that'd be warranted.
Cheers
I don't mind if it's closed really.. just don't delete it. I don't think that'd be warranted.
Cheers
> The problem is that war contributes to more bondage than it resolves.
I can suggest "Crisis and Leviathan" http://www.mises.org/store/Crisis-and-Leviathan-P138C0.aspx
and The Myth Of War Prosperity http://mises.org:88/2_HMC_Higgs
Mplayer works fine for that one, I've noticed that XINE doesn't resolve the redirect. Bummer.
Higgs also has a YouTube series that is just, well, "uncompromising" is the word that comes to mind. Frightening, too, War and Leviathan. Here it is, segments collected on one page: http://www.lewrockwell.com/higgs/higgs64.html
With transcript: http://www.mises.org/story/2749
I can suggest "Crisis and Leviathan" http://www.mises.org/store/Crisis-and-Leviathan-P138C0.aspx
and The Myth Of War Prosperity http://mises.org:88/2_HMC_Higgs
Mplayer works fine for that one, I've noticed that XINE doesn't resolve the redirect. Bummer.
Higgs also has a YouTube series that is just, well, "uncompromising" is the word that comes to mind. Frightening, too, War and Leviathan. Here it is, segments collected on one page: http://www.lewrockwell.com/higgs/higgs64.html
With transcript: http://www.mises.org/story/2749
Libervis,
Check your private mails here. ;)
Check your private mails here. ;)
I did and I also commented again on Helios's blog. I actually posted there much earlier, a couple of comments which clarify where I'm coming from and also express certain agreements... but they need to be approved.
Cheers
Cheers
He's probably asleep right now. It may take a while.
What? He SLEEPS?
Please bear in mind what Ken said:
"We spend more time arguing about philosophy and technique than we do actually getting anything done." Many words have been 'spoiled' in this thread since he said so.
"We spend more time arguing about philosophy and technique than we do actually getting anything done." Many words have been 'spoiled' in this thread since he said so.
What? He SLEEPS?
Rarely and then only begrudgingly. I despise my physical need for a third of my life to be wasted on unconsciousness. It's been suggested that short-sleepers are simply psychological protesters that mentally wire themselves to only need 4 hours of sleep a night. Who knows?
Libervis - I've approved and submitted every comment that has come to the blog. That spam comment about some cms tool for blogging prompted me to do the moderation...hopefully I can put it back on unrestricted mode here in a bit. I will monitor responses for another 3 days and if there are no more incidents, I will put it back the way it was. If there are comments you posted that were not submitted, please take the time to reconstruct them. I will search to make sure they've not been herded into my spam folder as well.
I would point to Larry Cafiero and I as a model of FOSS collaboration....and please, not on a personal level, it's not like we've found the cure to the common cold. I mean on a functional and pragmatic level. Larry and I have strong and opposing viewpoints and philosophies on almost everything but we decided early on that none of them were important enough to get in the way of what we both see as a Critical project at a Critical time.
I am sure once we get the train into the station, there will be time to disembark and rip each other to shreds. Somehow though, I think that the personal bond that develops between political rivals is put into proper perspective by working toward a common goal. When it's done...if it's ever "done", I believe we will not only see the practical side of these partnerships, but the healing properties of them as well.
si vis pacem...para bellum
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Rarely and then only begrudgingly. I despise my physical need for a third of my life to be wasted on unconsciousness. It's been suggested that short-sleepers are simply psychological protesters that mentally wire themselves to only need 4 hours of sleep a night. Who knows?
Libervis - I've approved and submitted every comment that has come to the blog. That spam comment about some cms tool for blogging prompted me to do the moderation...hopefully I can put it back on unrestricted mode here in a bit. I will monitor responses for another 3 days and if there are no more incidents, I will put it back the way it was. If there are comments you posted that were not submitted, please take the time to reconstruct them. I will search to make sure they've not been herded into my spam folder as well.
I would point to Larry Cafiero and I as a model of FOSS collaboration....and please, not on a personal level, it's not like we've found the cure to the common cold. I mean on a functional and pragmatic level. Larry and I have strong and opposing viewpoints and philosophies on almost everything but we decided early on that none of them were important enough to get in the way of what we both see as a Critical project at a Critical time.
I am sure once we get the train into the station, there will be time to disembark and rip each other to shreds. Somehow though, I think that the personal bond that develops between political rivals is put into proper perspective by working toward a common goal. When it's done...if it's ever "done", I believe we will not only see the practical side of these partnerships, but the healing properties of them as well.
si vis pacem...para bellum
h
> si vis pacem...para bellum
Let's see.... that would be, "in reference to the elephant, use a Luger"?
it's a joke. laugh.
Let's see.... that would be, "in reference to the elephant, use a Luger"?
it's a joke. laugh.
Well, I agree Helios..
About comments, I submitted another comment last night in response to thenixreport which was neither long nor containing any links, but isn't approved so either I'm on some automated blacklist for some unknown reason or I don't know.. I was posting with my google account. I'm not sure I should bother posting again in those three days if it's never going to be submit.
I'm not sure I'll be able to word a longer of these posts (a response your your comment) the same way I did then, unfortunately. But the extreme summary of the first one was that I don't want to hide where I said who I am, and the second expresses reasoning behind my disagreement with your philosophy of sacrifice and deserve which is in short the fact that I'm a voluntaryist (and what that means). The second one, though, also points out how much we agree on that we need better marketing for Linux and freedomware, where I actually find myself even closer to your point of view on that specific issue than I was before (when I was a Free Software purist).
And to show I am not quitting support for what you, Larry, Landy and others are doing I've made a little donation to Lindependence. I use Arch Linux, so let it be in their name for what it's worth. :)
Cheers
About comments, I submitted another comment last night in response to thenixreport which was neither long nor containing any links, but isn't approved so either I'm on some automated blacklist for some unknown reason or I don't know.. I was posting with my google account. I'm not sure I should bother posting again in those three days if it's never going to be submit.
I'm not sure I'll be able to word a longer of these posts (a response your your comment) the same way I did then, unfortunately. But the extreme summary of the first one was that I don't want to hide where I said who I am, and the second expresses reasoning behind my disagreement with your philosophy of sacrifice and deserve which is in short the fact that I'm a voluntaryist (and what that means). The second one, though, also points out how much we agree on that we need better marketing for Linux and freedomware, where I actually find myself even closer to your point of view on that specific issue than I was before (when I was a Free Software purist).
And to show I am not quitting support for what you, Larry, Landy and others are doing I've made a little donation to Lindependence. I use Arch Linux, so let it be in their name for what it's worth. :)
Cheers
>And to show I am not quitting support for what you, Larry, Landy and others are doing I've made a little donation to Lindependence. I use Arch Linux, so let it be in their name for what it's worth. :)
In my humble opinion, that changes nearly everything. The ability to tolerate strong differences without letting them overwhelm areas of agreement or, at least, common cause is one sign of a developed mind.
In my humble opinion, that changes nearly everything. The ability to tolerate strong differences without letting them overwhelm areas of agreement or, at least, common cause is one sign of a developed mind.
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Most people don't deserve their freedom, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have it.
My father didn't deserve to die when his plane went down protecting our (US) freedom, but he did. I didn't deserve to lose my father, but I did. On my own merits, I don't deserve the freedom he died for, but I have it.
All in all, deserving or not, I can enjoy the freedom and be grateful to everyone who has worked to provide and/or preserve it. It's been years since I went to visit his grave at Arlington Cemetery, but I can still see the endless white stones against lush green grass.
I remember it as both appalling and awe-inspiring. What a terrible thing war is to rip so many young lives away from us. How great the gift must be to warrant such a price.