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How Ubuntu Lost Its Credibility
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7 earlier comments in the full thread.
Sander -
KDE 3 is married to OSS?
I don't think so, amigo.
KDE has supported ALSA happily for a loooooong time now.
KDE 3 is married to OSS?
I don't think so, amigo.
KDE has supported ALSA happily for a loooooong time now.
> KDE has supported ALSA happily for a loooooong time now.
Agreed. Now some applications still give me problems (sound in VMware Server, for instance), but KDE itself works fine with ALSA.
Agreed. Now some applications still give me problems (sound in VMware Server, for instance), but KDE itself works fine with ALSA.
zenarcher,
That has been my experience in the main with Ubuntu over the past few years. Ironically enough given your comments upgrading to 8.10 has been the worst upgrade experience of all. Two of my boxes refused to boot and a laptop had sound issues.
I was helped enormously by this thread on the Ubuntu forums:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=966436
That has been my experience in the main with Ubuntu over the past few years. Ironically enough given your comments upgrading to 8.10 has been the worst upgrade experience of all. Two of my boxes refused to boot and a laptop had sound issues.
I was helped enormously by this thread on the Ubuntu forums:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=966436
Whenever I put a new computer into service, I go through a period during which I try out a number of distros until I find one that works and plays well with the system. For instance, on my Power Mac G4, Debian Etch configures perfectly and runs much faster than Fedora 9, which barely configures X. Of course I could take the xorg.conf from Debian and now make Fedora display better, but I won't get that speed advantage.
That's with 400 MHz of CPU. On a 1 GHz or better CPU, these performance differences won't be as noticeable on the desktop.
It's best to keep an open mind and learn what you can from the different distros in relation to your hardware. If you know why a certain feature works (or works better) in one distro, saving a copy of all relevant configuration files and steps you took will make future configuration go much more quickly.
That said, I've spent quite a bit of time getting Ubuntu to do the right thing (and not either crash or render itself unbootable). I imagine that "your mileage may vary" is the thing to remember. I've done a few Ubuntu 6.06 LTS installs and can't remember having a single problem or crash. Things haven't gone as smoothly with subsequent editions, but when it comes to hardware detection, Ubuntu does very well.
On my Gateway laptop, I'd like to run OpenBSD, but since that system detects none of my thermal and fan sensors, I can't do it. I'd prefer to run Debian Lenny, but unresolvable X issues led me to pull it.
Now that I've gone two days without a Ubuntu crash, I'm feeling pretty good about running 8.04. Sounds a little pathetic, but there you have it.
That's with 400 MHz of CPU. On a 1 GHz or better CPU, these performance differences won't be as noticeable on the desktop.
It's best to keep an open mind and learn what you can from the different distros in relation to your hardware. If you know why a certain feature works (or works better) in one distro, saving a copy of all relevant configuration files and steps you took will make future configuration go much more quickly.
That said, I've spent quite a bit of time getting Ubuntu to do the right thing (and not either crash or render itself unbootable). I imagine that "your mileage may vary" is the thing to remember. I've done a few Ubuntu 6.06 LTS installs and can't remember having a single problem or crash. Things haven't gone as smoothly with subsequent editions, but when it comes to hardware detection, Ubuntu does very well.
On my Gateway laptop, I'd like to run OpenBSD, but since that system detects none of my thermal and fan sensors, I can't do it. I'd prefer to run Debian Lenny, but unresolvable X issues led me to pull it.
Now that I've gone two days without a Ubuntu crash, I'm feeling pretty good about running 8.04. Sounds a little pathetic, but there you have it.
I upgraded my partner to Mandriva 2009.0 (with KDE4) and a day later rolled her back to Mandriva 2008.1 with KDE3, she hated KDE4.
Prof reed, I don t botter.
Quoting:KDE 3 is married to OSS? I don't think so, amigo.
Well, that was one of the reasons that Phonon got pitched by the KDE folk last year on FOSDEM and T-DOSE.
The art work is critical? The art work is the most important thing Ubuntu needs to deliver? Puh-Leeze. Shut up and code. Or document. Or contribute some artwork. Or just report a fugly bug and work with the developers to get it fixed. Linux, even if it's linux sponsored by a rich sabdfl, is still a "patches welcome" world.
Dave
Dave
I agree that the artwork argument is pretty weak. It's easy to replace desktop wallpaper. I'd rather they focus on making things work rather than how it looks.
Has anybody seen Debian's new Lenny wallpaper? I prefer the old version ...
Has anybody seen Debian's new Lenny wallpaper? I prefer the old version ...
THIS IS IT! THIS IS IT! THE TRUTH ABOUT UBUNTU FINALLY COMES OUT. NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE FINAL PUSH TO MOVE THE MASSES TO SLACKWARE!
OH THE JOY...I KNEW THIS DAY WOULD COME...
:-P
OH THE JOY...I KNEW THIS DAY WOULD COME...
:-P
I was wondering the same thing garymax. Why can't people see the Slackware light?
G & G -
You kidding me?
I wear slacks all the time. Lots of people do.
You kidding me?
I wear slacks all the time. Lots of people do.
A true Slacker doesn't wear slacks. He has nothing to prove, so he wears jeans instead.
(Substitute "she" if appropriate. Offer void where prohibited. Do not taunt the Happy Fun Ball.)
(Substitute "she" if appropriate. Offer void where prohibited. Do not taunt the Happy Fun Ball.)
> Why can't people see the Slackware light?
But if everyone used Slackware, then where would we be????
Oh, that's right, exactly where we are now: With one of the fastest, most stable, and most flexible operating systems in existence. Forget I said anything. :)
But if everyone used Slackware, then where would we be????
Oh, that's right, exactly where we are now: With one of the fastest, most stable, and most flexible operating systems in existence. Forget I said anything. :)
Gotta be honest...used Slackware briefly recently just to try it out, was very impressed. Good stuff.
Old slack water, keep on rolling
Mississippi moon won't you keep on shining on me
Get thee back into the tempest and the Night's Plutonian shore!
Leave no slack plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken!
Debian>Ubuntu
But that is just a user thing, you geeks wouldn't understand.
But that is just a user thing, you geeks wouldn't understand.
What credibility? Really - someone tell me because I'm feeling like I've been in a cave for a while. Last time I checked 15 years olds, or other fickle distro-hopping bastids, were touting Ubuntu.
You know, I've always wanted Ubuntu to be what it has always wanted to be, but it is what it is, not what it wants to be. Does that make sense? lol
computers suck - go outside and play
You know, I've always wanted Ubuntu to be what it has always wanted to be, but it is what it is, not what it wants to be. Does that make sense? lol
computers suck - go outside and play
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At this point, my home servers and laptop have been converted to ubuntu. My home desktop is still suse 11.0, but I'm still considering it's fate. I'm running ubuntu on my desktop at work as well.
I've used a lot of distros, starting with SLS in 1993, and I mean full time linux use - and it just seems to me that ubuntu is doing a lot of things right. Is there room for improvement? Sure, but I don't see anybody else getting there any faster.