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19 earlier comments in the full thread.
Being in the print-journalism business myself, life is better if we don't labor under the delusion that there is no bias in traditional newspapers. At least in the case of many writers in the technology space, we accept that there's bias and opinion at work.
This isn't a "MSM is evil," thing -- I'm part of the so-called "mainstream media." It's just encouraging us all to look deeper into what we do, how we do it and how it's working out.
And its vs. it's is baked into my DNA.
This isn't a "MSM is evil," thing -- I'm part of the so-called "mainstream media." It's just encouraging us all to look deeper into what we do, how we do it and how it's working out.
And its vs. it's is baked into my DNA.
It is true there is always bias-- still, I would like to see a clearer delineation between editorial and news reporting. There is a real difference, but these days it's so blurred it's more like gossip than news.
Quoting: A corporation, however, is a different matter. It's a legal entity, created by the state as a means to confer limited liability to the owners of the corporation.
Once upon a time, when corporations were charted by the crown or legislature, that may gave been true. But now, most corporations are formed upon filing the required prerequisites with the gov't body responsible for overseeing registration. Most jurisdictions, particularly in the USA, simply have a body of general corporation law that governs their formation & operation. Very little state action is required, if any. So, you can hardly say they are "created" by the state. If they were, you could potentially sue state officials for civil rights violations in granting charters to illegal or immorally oriented corporations. They are simply permitted to exist by the state, as an efficient means of commerce & wealth distribution (& taxation).
You're right about limited liability, though.
I don't object to labeling of news, opinion, or any subsets thereof (Q&A, "10 best" list, why it sucks, etc.)
> Most jurisdictions, particularly in the USA, simply have a body of general corporation law that governs their formation & operation.
Again, I think this is a difference in terminology. I don't think we're really disagreeing.
Those laws are what define the legal nature of a corporation. It's still a specially created legal entity which would not exist without those laws. The fact that all the hard work has already been done and the state has streamlined the process for applying for that status is beside the point. They've streamlined the process for collecting social security at retirement too, making much easier for any individual to apply for social security. That doesn't mean social security isn't a government created institution. What you're saying is that the individual corporation isn't a government creation, which can be considered technically correct. But it's the entire class of entities known as corporations which is the government creation.
> If they were, you could potentially sue state officials for civil rights violations in granting charters to illegal or immorally oriented corporations.
State officials are normally granted immunity for actions taken in the process of carrying out their appointed duties.
Again, I think this is a difference in terminology. I don't think we're really disagreeing.
Those laws are what define the legal nature of a corporation. It's still a specially created legal entity which would not exist without those laws. The fact that all the hard work has already been done and the state has streamlined the process for applying for that status is beside the point. They've streamlined the process for collecting social security at retirement too, making much easier for any individual to apply for social security. That doesn't mean social security isn't a government created institution. What you're saying is that the individual corporation isn't a government creation, which can be considered technically correct. But it's the entire class of entities known as corporations which is the government creation.
> If they were, you could potentially sue state officials for civil rights violations in granting charters to illegal or immorally oriented corporations.
State officials are normally granted immunity for actions taken in the process of carrying out their appointed duties.
Quoting: State officials are normally granted immunity for actions taken in the process of carrying out their appointed duties.
It's called sovereign immunity,... & there are limits (like civil rights violations under US civil rights statutes). My point is that there is a bit more than terminology difference between state created & state recognised. It also impacts where you place "the blame" for corporate abuses (moral blame, if not actual liability), on the corporations and their leadership, or the gov'ts under which they operate.
Tuxchick, Manners? Why are we having company or going to a funeral?
I've been working up in the cool air of Colorado. I stepped out from DFW into the afternoon air and it felt like being hit with a flamethrower. This morphed into a discussion of corporations? I have been gone a while.
I've been working up in the cool air of Colorado. I stepped out from DFW into the afternoon air and it felt like being hit with a flamethrower. This morphed into a discussion of corporations? I have been gone a while.
chikauuna:
LXer posts any opinions as well, along with 'journalism', and it's up to the reader to distinguish! We trust our readers, so we don't have to distinguish or do tagging or something. Even if articles are straightly the opposites of our believes, we still think it's worthwile posting. After all, who is an editor to decide what the readers want to / should read or not?
I'm also an LXer-editor, but most of the times it means only joining discussions, and from time to time posting an original article. Like this one, related to op-eds posing as 'independent' think tanks:
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/lf/view/61746/
Go read it, you might like it, and if not, sorry for wasting your time.
It's Scott and Bob who do 95%+ of all work (and Jim 'breaking' it for 'testing' purposes, ahem), and it's Scott spending hours deciding which articles to post - and which not. General rule is, if it's FOSS-related, not overly political, in English and not from Penguin Pete, Scott posts it. But mind you, he's a human (and a great one for voluntary doing so much work for LXer IMNSHO) - so mistakes are sometimes made.
Also, threads over here seem to derail pretty quickly. Once I proposed to change the commenting system, but seems our long time users like it this way. And seems we don't want to alienate them, apart from LXer being driven by volunteers - so if we want a complex system, a volunteer will have to build it.
If you want to discuss the original topic at hand, you're welcome! Never mind the other people commenting, what you have to say is just as worthwhile. The only way I became one of the regular commenters, is stubbornly keeping commenting, no matter what the other folks in the same thread came up with. If they start talking about other things, it doesn't mean it's forbidden to return to the topic the thread started with.
And you know what's best about LXer? It has a 'submit story' button on the site menu, in the grey bar. You can use that button to post your comments / reaction to the article you commented on, and LXer will publish it - if it meets the requirements as given above. If you're a reporter, you probably (like me) like writing stuff, and LXer encourages people - including you - to write articles and publish them on LXer.
BTW: You still haven't answered tracyanne's question: Your opinions about 11.04. Instead of minding those talking about other things, if you want to discuss the topic at hand it would be a better idea to discuss the topic at hand and not mind the people talking about other things.
Read the whole commentLXer posts any opinions as well, along with 'journalism', and it's up to the reader to distinguish! We trust our readers, so we don't have to distinguish or do tagging or something. Even if articles are straightly the opposites of our believes, we still think it's worthwile posting. After all, who is an editor to decide what the readers want to / should read or not?
I'm also an LXer-editor, but most of the times it means only joining discussions, and from time to time posting an original article. Like this one, related to op-eds posing as 'independent' think tanks:
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/lf/view/61746/
Go read it, you might like it, and if not, sorry for wasting your time.
It's Scott and Bob who do 95%+ of all work (and Jim 'breaking' it for 'testing' purposes, ahem), and it's Scott spending hours deciding which articles to post - and which not. General rule is, if it's FOSS-related, not overly political, in English and not from Penguin Pete, Scott posts it. But mind you, he's a human (and a great one for voluntary doing so much work for LXer IMNSHO) - so mistakes are sometimes made.
Also, threads over here seem to derail pretty quickly. Once I proposed to change the commenting system, but seems our long time users like it this way. And seems we don't want to alienate them, apart from LXer being driven by volunteers - so if we want a complex system, a volunteer will have to build it.
If you want to discuss the original topic at hand, you're welcome! Never mind the other people commenting, what you have to say is just as worthwhile. The only way I became one of the regular commenters, is stubbornly keeping commenting, no matter what the other folks in the same thread came up with. If they start talking about other things, it doesn't mean it's forbidden to return to the topic the thread started with.
And you know what's best about LXer? It has a 'submit story' button on the site menu, in the grey bar. You can use that button to post your comments / reaction to the article you commented on, and LXer will publish it - if it meets the requirements as given above. If you're a reporter, you probably (like me) like writing stuff, and LXer encourages people - including you - to write articles and publish them on LXer.
BTW: You still haven't answered tracyanne's question: Your opinions about 11.04. Instead of minding those talking about other things, if you want to discuss the topic at hand it would be a better idea to discuss the topic at hand and not mind the people talking about other things.
Whoa cowboy, I wasn't complaining about it changing topics, I was just surprised to see it morph and meld into what it did while I was away. I do not mind that, in fact I enjoy the give and take between some of the people here. I may not post very much, in fact I just joined, but I do read. I read a lot of these posts on the plane back from Colorado.
Again, I have been away for almost a week and not in touch here. I did submit a three part article on my experience of moving over from Windows to Linux on Ken Starks' blog, the Blog of Helios. I do not think I could add anything to what I've already written. I also messaged tracyanne and told her the same thing.
Just so you and I am straight on something, I was not "minding those talking about other things". Just commenting on a phenomenon in a new environment for myself. Should I ever "mind" anything others say, I will "mind" it in much more assertive language.
Again, I have been away for almost a week and not in touch here. I did submit a three part article on my experience of moving over from Windows to Linux on Ken Starks' blog, the Blog of Helios. I do not think I could add anything to what I've already written. I also messaged tracyanne and told her the same thing.
Just so you and I am straight on something, I was not "minding those talking about other things". Just commenting on a phenomenon in a new environment for myself. Should I ever "mind" anything others say, I will "mind" it in much more assertive language.
@ jdixon, Thank you for the history line on LinuxToday and LXer. Those are things you just don't find on the internet. thanks too for the tip on LWN. That is a great site.
> Thank you
De nada.
De nada.
Quoting: You always have manners, TC.
What a wonderfully ambiguous comment, jdixon!
> What a wonderfully ambiguous comment, jdixon!
I have my moments. ;)
I have my moments. ;)
Quoting: This morphed into a discussion of corporations? I have been gone a while.
That kind of stuff has a habit of happening around here... I apologise for any thread hijacking on my part...
I personally look at the Linux "community" as being a grouping of individuals. And at the risk of making generalisations, I think Linux users tend to be more individualistic than most. I think this is also true of the "corporations" in charge of distros and/or project development.
I also believe that the developers are alienating their user base... The up side is that with open source, getting back to what you want is only a fork away.
Hmm, well, glad it's all clear now. My experience is, sometimes people need a bit of explanation about LXer - and I'm always happy to provide it. But if you have been reading for some while now (there's no way for me to know), then you probably know by now.
Other forums hit you with the metal ruler for derailing a thread. ...
> Other forums...
Yeah. Either way can be made to work. But having started on Delphi, I'm more at home with LXer's way of doing things.
Yeah. Either way can be made to work. But having started on Delphi, I'm more at home with LXer's way of doing things.
Steven,
Do you speak from experience or Yellow Press* conjecture?
YBT
* Probably a U.S. centric term, sensational (tends towards nil to none fact based) screaming headlines, e.g. News Corp. modern proponent of the practice.
Quoting:Other forums hit you with the metal ruler for derailing a thread. ...
Do you speak from experience or Yellow Press* conjecture?
YBT
* Probably a U.S. centric term, sensational (tends towards nil to none fact based) screaming headlines, e.g. News Corp. modern proponent of the practice.
Experience.
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You always have manners, TC.