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Social Networks and Privacy in the Eyes of Richard Stallman
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5 earlier comments in the full thread.
The easiest way to not have the "like" buttons pass your informstion to Facebook: don't click on the "like" button, it works for me.
But the image comes from Facebook, so then FB has the referrer from your browser.
Better not to fetch the image to begin with.
Better not to fetch the image to begin with.
well I can block it quite easily with adblock plus
I have the following in my hosts file
# Eff Off Facebook! 127.0.0.1 http://www.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 facebook.com 127.0.0.1 static.ak.fbcdn.net 127.0.0.1 http://www.static.ak.fbcdn.net 127.0.0.1 login.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 http://www.login.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 fbcdn.net 127.0.0.1 http://www.fbcdn.net 127.0.0.1 fbcdn.com 127.0.0.1 http://www.fbcdn.com 127.0.0.1 static.ak.connect.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 http://www.static.ak.connect.facebook.com
@khamul thru @mrider,..
Don't you all worry (not that you WOULD worry anyway); it seems to me that Facebotch will eventually somehow someway manage to CIRCUMVENT the blocks any of you put up to keep their greasy hands from at least your click-clickety support. Dont care if its ghostery, adblock plus, hosts file entries, or something else. FB's coders and their code are much too hot to be blocked right now, cat-and-mouse-like, as I think JaseP and gus3 agree above!
2c
Don't you all worry (not that you WOULD worry anyway); it seems to me that Facebotch will eventually somehow someway manage to CIRCUMVENT the blocks any of you put up to keep their greasy hands from at least your click-clickety support. Dont care if its ghostery, adblock plus, hosts file entries, or something else. FB's coders and their code are much too hot to be blocked right now, cat-and-mouse-like, as I think JaseP and gus3 agree above!
2c
I see one problem with putting stuff like that in the hosts file: isn't that going to fill up your Apache logs with a bunch of 404 errors?
Blocking the requests with ABP would be better because it can just ignore everything that links to the facebook domains.
Blocking the requests with ABP would be better because it can just ignore everything that links to the facebook domains.
@fluffer: except that you and they are wrong. Unless those FB coders take over Google's servers or something (which would quickly result in a criminal case; Google's engineers are no dummies), as long as they're confined to their own domain(s), it's easy to avoid sending them anything by simply blocking all POSTs and GETs to those domains, be it with ABP or with a firewall.
@khamul, Nah, I really doubt that the vast numbers of FB addicts will so easily set up blocks through ABP or a firewall. You should review skelband's comment above as to why this is so. And I wouldn't be surprised for even those end-users like you who KNOW how to use ABP or a firewall, that FB coders are aware of this "problem" (to them) and will eventually take steps to overcome this. Eventually.
-fb
-fb
A different domain name would get around the blocks
It will probably work out like coupons, "loyalty"/"club" cards, half-price days, etc -- it will just be another tool in market segmentation, and another way to help identify high-value targets or a particular marketing niche.
Question:
Do you collect Air Miles? If you do, you're probably wasting your time worrying about your surfing habits and FaceBook. If you use Air Miles, you are essentially bartering away your concrete, "real world" information -- cheap.
Question:
Do you collect Air Miles? If you do, you're probably wasting your time worrying about your surfing habits and FaceBook. If you use Air Miles, you are essentially bartering away your concrete, "real world" information -- cheap.
@fluffer: I thought this was about NON-Facebook users setting up blocks to make sure FB couldn't get any info on them. Why would willing FB users and addicts set up blocks? It seems pretty obvious to me that mrider above is not a facebook user at all.
@tracyanne: A company the size of FB isn't going to be changing their domain names every day. Ad companies like doubleclick and others don't change their domain names just to get around AdBlockPlus; why would FB?
@tracyanne: A company the size of FB isn't going to be changing their domain names every day. Ad companies like doubleclick and others don't change their domain names just to get around AdBlockPlus; why would FB?
@Khamul, I know ;)
@khamul, Now that I think more about it, you are only partially correct; it seems to me that there are actually _FOUR_ types of users in relation to FaceBotch.
The first is the NON-Facebotch user it is obvious to you that mrider is. That type of user will NEVER join FB or very begrudgingly join FB (ready to quit at any time) even if very strongly urged to do so by his or her techie peers. I think that these types of users (in relation to FB) are the MOST likely to set up blocks to make sure FB cannot get any info on them whatsoever, even from adclicking on FB-related sites.
The second type of user has ALREADY joined FB and will probably REMAIN with FB no matter what . I also include here those whose FB accounts are mostly inactive. I have zero doubts that FaceBotch is CONSTANTLY reaching out to these people and majorly marketing their info as vairveenr writes on top! This, I think, is EXACTLY the type of FB addict of which skelband and I write about.
The third type of user is the type of non-addicted Facebotch user that is super privacy-conscious. This user sets up as many security measures (e.g., server blocks) as are possible and he/she only provides a limited amount of private information on their FB Info and Wall pages. I think that this particular FB user is going to regularly go over their FB privacy settings MOST carefully, without just always accepting the default settings. Maybe that is what you and tracyanne are? I don't know....
The fourth type of user has not _currently_ joined FB, but probably could join them (or re-join them as the case may be) with a bit of techie-urging, social-pressure, or whatever else FB and others might do. THIS is the type of user FaceBotch is REALLY going after with the various gimmicks I see BernardSwiss mentioning, also including FB's public statements and privacy-"enhancement" shenanigans. Since Facebotch has the incentive to market and track THESE PARTICULAR users before and after they should join-up, I think FB's coders have the CLEAR incentive to go after these users hands-on using whatever means are necessary, including circumventing any blocks put up to keep their greasy hands tracking these users.
-fb
The first is the NON-Facebotch user it is obvious to you that mrider is. That type of user will NEVER join FB or very begrudgingly join FB (ready to quit at any time) even if very strongly urged to do so by his or her techie peers. I think that these types of users (in relation to FB) are the MOST likely to set up blocks to make sure FB cannot get any info on them whatsoever, even from adclicking on FB-related sites.
The second type of user has ALREADY joined FB and will probably REMAIN with FB no matter what . I also include here those whose FB accounts are mostly inactive. I have zero doubts that FaceBotch is CONSTANTLY reaching out to these people and majorly marketing their info as vairveenr writes on top! This, I think, is EXACTLY the type of FB addict of which skelband and I write about.
The third type of user is the type of non-addicted Facebotch user that is super privacy-conscious. This user sets up as many security measures (e.g., server blocks) as are possible and he/she only provides a limited amount of private information on their FB Info and Wall pages. I think that this particular FB user is going to regularly go over their FB privacy settings MOST carefully, without just always accepting the default settings. Maybe that is what you and tracyanne are? I don't know....
The fourth type of user has not _currently_ joined FB, but probably could join them (or re-join them as the case may be) with a bit of techie-urging, social-pressure, or whatever else FB and others might do. THIS is the type of user FaceBotch is REALLY going after with the various gimmicks I see BernardSwiss mentioning, also including FB's public statements and privacy-"enhancement" shenanigans. Since Facebotch has the incentive to market and track THESE PARTICULAR users before and after they should join-up, I think FB's coders have the CLEAR incentive to go after these users hands-on using whatever means are necessary, including circumventing any blocks put up to keep their greasy hands tracking these users.
-fb
@JaseP perhaps your type are the extremist? Then again it's probably best to tone down the rhetoric.. It's sad that people who are not interested in being tracked and monitored are considered thee extremist.
@mrider Thank you for the hosts file mention, these are the types of things that would be nice for distribution leaders to include or even someone can write up small scripts to block goog, facebook and the likes to make it easier for the end user, who by the way needs to be informed in a nice way of why they should block--like duckduckgo did with their 'don't bubble or track you' campaign.
@mrider Thank you for the hosts file mention, these are the types of things that would be nice for distribution leaders to include or even someone can write up small scripts to block goog, facebook and the likes to make it easier for the end user, who by the way needs to be informed in a nice way of why they should block--like duckduckgo did with their 'don't bubble or track you' campaign.
BernardSwiss: which extra information does collecting air miles give them? they already have my passport details and can draw a complete picture of my air travels...
greetings, eMBee.
greetings, eMBee.
Quoting:Maybe that is what you and tracyanne are? I don't know....
It's what I are, because two people very important to me are the second type, and won't use any other means of internet communication. So I very reluctantly have an account. Nothing gets posted in it, and it's set to super private. And, of course, I never visit FB without at least Adblock plus. I'm pretty sure they have zero information to sell, unless it's the linux stuff I post on one or the other of those two persons walls.
@kennethh:
Yup and amen. Pretty sad when ordinary good sense is extreme.
Reminds me of some reactions I saw to Dr. Dean Ornish a few years ago, and his approach (based, btw, on properly performed medical research the Good Doctor had performed, written up, and published in peer-reviewed journals) to dealing with advanced coronary disease in some patients. It was labeled radical by many in the profession.
What was it? An extreme low fat diet, exercise and stress control for the most part. The "non-extreme" alternative for these patients was to have their legs cut open, veins ripped out, chest sternum broken and chest cut open, heart removed from it's happy place, and those leg veins sewn on.
It's a funny world.
Yup and amen. Pretty sad when ordinary good sense is extreme.
Reminds me of some reactions I saw to Dr. Dean Ornish a few years ago, and his approach (based, btw, on properly performed medical research the Good Doctor had performed, written up, and published in peer-reviewed journals) to dealing with advanced coronary disease in some patients. It was labeled radical by many in the profession.
What was it? An extreme low fat diet, exercise and stress control for the most part. The "non-extreme" alternative for these patients was to have their legs cut open, veins ripped out, chest sternum broken and chest cut open, heart removed from it's happy place, and those leg veins sewn on.
It's a funny world.
@mrider: Don't you want to take the "http:// " part off of those host names?
@tracyanne: Let me guess, teenagers?
What's going to happen in 10 years when these kids get into the work world? Are companies going to start using Facebook for all their internal communications? I can't wait to see the total demise of American companies as their employees gleefully post all the companies' confidential information on FB and their foreign competitors are able to read it there. Or what about when our military starts using FB for private communications between officers and agencies, and any enemies they may have can read it all?
What's going to happen in 10 years when these kids get into the work world? Are companies going to start using Facebook for all their internal communications? I can't wait to see the total demise of American companies as their employees gleefully post all the companies' confidential information on FB and their foreign competitors are able to read it there. Or what about when our military starts using FB for private communications between officers and agencies, and any enemies they may have can read it all?
@telanoc, it's the fault of the CGI here.
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