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The Register; By Gavin Clarke
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Mozilla and Google are crying foul over Microsoft restrictions blocking rivals from Windows 8 on ARM, due later this year. Firefox-shop Mozilla has branded Microsoft's restrictions a return to the digital dark ages "where users and developers didn't have browser choices".

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6 earlier comments in the full thread.

Quoting:It's amazing that GNOME stuff gets so much mind share, even when GNOME 3 Shell is such a piece of excrement, and KDE and KDE Applications are totally ignored.


wow @TA, you must really, really love KDE now! Not that I have anything against GNOME, but you now know how I felt a year or two ago.

@Khamul, How many AutoCAD users normally are in an enterprise environment? Relatively speaking, I would say a dismal number.

I sill have confidence that FOSS will over take MS software. It will take time like many of us knew, but will happen. Having FOSS applications running on Window is having a big effect. I wasn't in favor of the idea originally, but I see it is working now. Still, having a big OEM to offer Linux for the masses is a necessity. Sorry @Caitlyn, Dell is not it.

You would be surprised how many young kids are picking up Linux. Just like the way Windows became popular among the young, Linux is flourishing by being different and cool. Word of mouth also is having a good impact.



@Fettoosh: I have no stock in Dell and generally prefer other manufacturers. If some other big OEM steps up to the plate I'd be thrilled. I have an HP netbook which came preloaded with Linux and they did a great job with it. They also dropped Linux from their consumer line the same day Windows 7 was released. I wonder how that happened.... Hmmm...

Whatever you may like or dislike about Dell, when it comes to major OEMs supporting Linux, right now they are the only one doing it and they deserve credit for that.
I'm with Caitln on this. While Dell has been a fair weathered friend to Linux, at least they've been a friend at all.
> While Dell has been a fair weathered friend to Linux, at least they've been a friend at all.

I'll grudgingly grant the point. Just don't expect any Linux specific support after the sale. They never did offer a supported update to Ununtu 10.04 from 8.04 for my Mini-9.
@Khamul Drafting is my career but it is focused mostly on electronic CAE (PCB design). I normally use Altium Designer (formerly Protel) on WinXP in VMware Player. It doesn't work on Wine but is perfectly usable via VM. The nearest F/OSS competitors are GNU EDA and Kicad, neither of which I've tried in several years. The customer determines the tools I have to use. Since there is no ubiquitous file format for PCB design like with DXF and DWG in 2D mechanical design, there are no alternatives.

My mechanical design tasks are mostly related to 2D machining drawings for enclosures. These are normally based on off-the-shelf enclosures which are either die-cast or extruded aluminum. Originally I used AutoSKETCH but the customer eventually upgraded to AutoCAD. Compared to the former, the latter is a rather clunky interface requiring many more mouse-clicks and keyboard usage to accomplish a task. I don't use it enough to justify buying it so I was relying on the time-limited demo version.

The customer later decided to switch to 3D, using SolidWorks by Dassault Systems after toying with Autodesk Inventor. Some work is still done on AutoCAD.

Dassault Systems is part of the Intellicad consortium. They released DraftSight which is a free (not open-source) cross-platform AutoCAD clone. I hate it almost as much as AutoCAD as its interface is just as clunky with the notable exception that it doesn't use the useless Office ribbon that AutoCAD has. I switched to using it instead of AutoCAD and it meets my needs perfectly.

I have used Qcad to create a basement remodeling plan for a friend. I also bought the commercial version to obtain support for ordinate dimensioning which the community version lacks. Its capabilities lie somewhere between AutoSKETCH and AutoCAD LT but it has an ugly interface. It's good enough for beginners but DraftSight is a much better option for professionals. But these are not the only options.
Metro looks pretty nice on mobile devices. I have a lot of trouble imagining it without a touch screen.
@ jdixon:

I never expect any Linux support after the sale. In fact, all of the machines I've ever bought from them, I wipe their installation (no matter the OS) and start fresh. I hate it that they don't make the home partition separate. That proves to me that they really don't get Linux.
@ Dino...

Nice on touchscreens?!?! To me it looks like the Partridge Family bus...
I think the IE-only restriction is significant. Web-based services have already killed off Encarta and were a factor in the demise of Microsoft Money. Browsers are where the destop vs. mobile/cloud battles are being fought. HTML5 may kill off Flash and Silverlight. Metro and the associated "app store" are a threat to Valve's Steam software distribution service.
@JaseP -

Have you tried using it?

I found the Metro phones much easier to read without glasses than IOS and Android phones. They really do a nice job of pushing out the most important info.

My thought was that Metro is to IOS/android what Bauhaus was to Levittown.
The Metro "app store" is the smartest thing M$ has done in a long time. They can skim off the top of the sales, and actually get revenue from the the third parties who develop for their platform, while simultaneously reducing those parties' distribution costs. Plus, they can copy off of everyone who set up one before them...

@ Dino,...

No, I haven't, and likely wouldn't.
@jhansonxi: I do some PCB design on the side, and Kicad works extremely well for me. I tried gEDA but it really didn't agree with me. However, there absolutely are standard file formats for PCBs, they're called "Gerbers". Of course, this is an output-only format, but every PCB maker on the planet uses them (and any that don't aren't worth bothering with). Of course, this won't help you if you're trying to exchange unfinished designs with other people using different software, but for the final output, Kicad makes standard Gerbers just as well as anything else.

@dinotrac: I used a Metro phone for about 30 seconds before looking at Android phones. It worked well enough, but it was butt-ugly. Add to that the fact that it's not customizable at all, the app store sucks (i.e. not a lot of apps), the fact that it's by MS, and the fact that it's tanking and may very well suffer the same fate as Zune or PlaysForSure, and it's a terrible buy. I'm quite happy with my Android phone; I didn't like the regular Honeycomb on-screen keyboard included, so I downloaded the free "Hacker's Keyboard" app, and now I have full keyboard with all the symbol keys and more, and I can even set it to a Dvorak layout. Try that on iOS or WP7. Same goes for everything else on there: the dialer and contacts manager, the SMS application, everything can be replaced by 3rd-party versions, instead of being stuck with what the control freaks in Redmond or Cupertino want you to use.

@JaseP: If the Metro app store is the smartest thing they've done in a long time, that's pretty sad since it's just a ripoff of everyone else's app stores. What are they, number 6 or 7 in having an app store?
Quoting:The Metro "app store" is the smartest thing M$ has done in a long time. They can skim off the top of the sales, and actually get revenue from the the third parties who develop for their platform, while simultaneously reducing those parties' distribution costs. Plus, they can copy off of everyone who set up one before them...


Not only that, but MS can address their decade old 'lack of innovative ideas" problem by stealing from fools who dare to use their app store.

Never underestimate the stupidity of fanbois.
@Fettoosh

Quoting:wow @TA, you must really, really love KDE now!


KDE was my first love. I never hated KDE, as such, just what the developers did, and didn't do when they released KDE4. The fact that KDE4 was mostly bling and most of the useful functionality I relied on was not yet implemented, I went to GNOME which in combination with Compiz gave me almost all that functionality back. Now that KDE4 has finally given me back the functionality I depend on I'm back.

I don't dislike GNOME3 shell because of lack of functionality, but because it's the wrong paradigm for pretty much anything larger than a 7 inch screen.
@khamul --

I'm pessimistic about Metro's ability to survive because of that puny app store. I wonder how much money Microsoft is willing to shovel in to do something about it.
Quoting:They never did offer a supported update to Ununtu 10.04 from 8.04 for my Mini-9.
Aside from Apple, do any of the hardware vendors offer OS upgrade support? I don't remember seeing it from Toshiba or HP and certainly not from Acer/eMachines (two names, same company).
Quoting:To me it looks like the Partridge Family bus...
What's wrong with the Partridge Family bus?
Quoting:Not only that, but MS can address their decade old 'lack of innovative ideas" problem by stealing from fools who dare to use their app store.
It's more than a decade old. Microsoft's success has been made largely by buying the competition who has a good product and rebranding it (i.e.: Excel, Visio) or copying other products.
Quoting:What's wrong with the Partridge Family bus?
That depends on when your last hit of LSD was.
Quoting:That depends on when your last hit of LSD was.
I've never done LSD at all. What's wrong with colorful?

Your comment made me laugh, gus3. Back when I was in college I worked at the college radio station and had a reputation for playing things like early Tangerine Dream and a lot of progressive and psychedelic rock. Everyone assumed I was a druggie. I was actually about as straight laced a person as you could find on campus back then.

I still like early Tangerine Dream :)
@caitlyn

Yeh Tangerine Dream never recovered after Christopher Franke left in my opinion, but the early stuff is still good.
> Aside from Apple, do any of the hardware vendors offer OS upgrade support?

Sure. In my experience, most vendors have drivers and directions for upgrading to a new OS. You have to provide the copy of the OS, but they do support it. It's been a while, but I believe I've upgraded Dells, HP's, and IBM's that way in the past.

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