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Lxer.com; By Tom Adelstein
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The Supreme Court and your local telephone company have decided to hose everyone on the Internet. Meanwhile, Congress is trying to figure out how to stop it. Where's the media? Hey, WAKE UP!

Last week, Andy Oram, Uber Editor for O'Reilly wrote an article for us called Network Neutrality and an Internet with Vision. He got 1207 page views and five votes at Digg.com. The most important issue of the day and nobody knows or cares what's happening. I must be living in the 1950's. Beatniks are at Starbucks and Dwight D. Eisenhower is taking a knap at the White House.



Information Week published an article on this subject called Test Of Net Neutrality and I bet no one has read that either. So, here's an excerpt:



The Internet is open to all at affordable, simple pricing, and users can send or receive content without fear of it being relegated to second-class status. Streaming video from Comedy Central's Web site is treated the same as a transaction on eBay or photos on a blog. This even-handedness is known as network neutrality, and it has worked like a charm for years. But the telecom industry is pushing for change, with broad implications for how companies use the Internet--and what they pay.


You know what. If you don't care about this issue, neither do I. I'll start raising cattle in Wyoming. I won't need a computer anyway except to take inventory of ear tags.

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"...at affordable, simple pricing..."

5 earlier comments in the full thread.

Our prices, from what I know, are comparable to New Zealand's. There's no data cap, though, but keeping servers is not allowed (Which is annoying as all hell for certain indie games who do not have centralized servers like Blizzard. Want to play Liero on the net with a homebrew mod? Good luck)
> Forgot to say that the NZ pricing is for a home plan only (business plans cost more). The home plans are not allowed static IPs or to host servers of any kind either.

Verizon and Meer are also home plans. Verizon gives you a single dynamic IP address. Meer allows you either a dynamic address or up to 6 static IP addresses, and includes domain hosting and backup dialup service in the plan. You can see why we went with Meer.
Right now we're paying about $40/month CDN for 5Mbit down, 1Mbit up DSL, about the same price for 3Mbit down/768k up cable. No bandwidth limits, and while they 'say' no servers, I've been happily running one for a few years now. The only thing I've heard of crackdowns on are the mega bandwidth hogs ... which they associate with big time filesharing. Personally, I know nobody who's been cut off, but at least one guy I know got a warning to cool it for the month.
Our town ran last-mile fiber about a year and a half ago. We pay $99 per month for bundled phone/cable/net. The cable is only 65 channels (with the option to buy premium channels) but the net connection is 7M both up and down.
Quoting:Our town ran last-mile fiber about a year and a half ago. We pay $99 per month for bundled phone/cable/net. The cable is only 65 channels (with the option to buy premium channels) but the net connection is 7M both up and down.


How do I get on that plan!
Well, you have to live in a pissant town with 7500 rednecks.
SFN: Do you live in such a town?
Yup.

It kills me.
Quoting:We pay $99 per month for.....


My wife informs me that it went up to $107.
SFN - that blows away another urban legend, i.e. proved false. Now if we could only stop the b.s. about the supposed "Joe Sixpack" being MS only types epitomized in too numerous slashdot spouting, ah ... comments.

So how many in your town are running Linux Servers?

I learned quite awhile ago not to judge people by their accents, just listen closely to the content of their speech. Too many Southerners "play" dumb to show you who is really stupid, believe the act at your peril.
Quoting:Well, you have to live in a pissant town with 7500 rednecks.


Ah, well that's my problem then. I live in the middle of nowhere with a very few rednecks (self included.)

I've been trying to figure out a reasonable broadband solution for some time. Dialup is currently my only option (well, technically satellite broadband is an option, but I need VPN and the latency of satellite breaks it.)

In another thread someone suggested building our own WiMAx network. Where do I sign up for that?
Quoting:So how many in your town are running Linux Servers?


Very few. Possibly just the company I work for and that's only because I installed them.

However, we do have a local PC business that when building PCs, offers your choice of either Linux or Windows. Uptake has been slow due to people not really knowing anything about Linux.

I've spoken with the guy who runs the business and he likes the idea of pulling an installfest at his place. The guys I work with in our IT department would provide the bulk of the talent. I have a little local net radio station that would promote it and the local phone company (they who give us all good things net-related) might even broadcast the entire thing on their public-access cable channel.

I just need to talk to the guy who runs the Gyro shop about massive food orders for that day.

We're aiming for summer.
Basically there's two phone systems in the UK. The old BT network which is copper wire from the local exchange to your house and the newer fibre network. If you live in a city or town then fibre is probably installed right up to the pavement outside your house. If you live in rural areas you'll almost certainly have to use the existing phone line and being miles from the exchange adds to the . After BT was privatised it was forced to share it's network "to encourage competition" so various alternatives have sprung up. They offer great things and then seem to struggle to come up with the promised service. There's some pretty poor services on offer in the UK. One such is a 2MB connection capped to 2gig a month! This costs around £18 a month (US$31). I pay £35 a month (US$61) for a 4MB line (4MB down and a small upload speed). That's uncapped but covers only the net connection, the TV is another £10 (US$17.50) a month and then there's the "line rental" on the phone, that's another £10 a month plus whatever calls we make.

The alternatives, some of which are initially quite attractive, "up to 8MB for £18 a month" for example, require an active BT line. I'm with the company that has the fibre network so I have one choice. It's pricey, but it's always works and it's fast. The catch with the alternative choices is the little phrase "up to" before the alleged line speed. So "up to 8MB" might actually mean that at times it isn't anywhere near 8MB and you have no recourse because you were plainly told "up to" 8MB whereas I get 4MB reliably and it's fibre to about 6 feet away from where I'm sitting.



-> NoDough: look at this page:

http://www.bbwexchange.com/successstories/successful_wireles...

Maybe you'll find a provider there. If not, try this one:

http://www.bbwexchange.com/building_broadband_wireless_netwo...

Good luck, wjl
wjl:

Thanks for the links. There's nothing currently serving my location, but I will explore the "building your own..." links.

The irritating part is that I live within 20 miles of a major metropolitan area on the east coast of the US and I can't get broadband. My brother is a wheat farmer in the middle of Kansas. He's over 100miles from a community with a population of over 25,000. He has broadband. (grrrrr)
Hey, 20 miles should be no problem for Wimax - maybe you could get the antenna on a hill or something?

But if you should really consider buying this just for private internet access, expect some investment. We're not talking 70$ routers here...

cheers, wjl
wjl: I'm thinking more of setting up a neighborhood ISP for myself and the others in my area that are 'bandwidth challenged.'
NoDough: Sounds good. In that case, maybe I should recommend Tom's excellent business plan like this here:

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/54427/index.html

But maybe you figured something like this out already?

cheers, wjl
I just read that article yesterday. And, yes, it did get me thinking.

My challenge is finding a cost/benefit balance that works well for both myself and the neighborhood. It's not exactly a densely populated area, and the phone company's switches offer DSL within 1/2mile of me in one direction. The economics may or may not work, but figuring it out will mean knocking on some doors and a night in front of a spreadsheet.
Hmmm I see...

Half a mile means that you could even use normal WLAN routers with a Pringles antenna ;-)

Anyway: maybe you should look up my book tips on the topic?

http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=31

cheers and good luck (gtg home now), wjl

We lost Freedom...

... the moment we appointed a small select group of individuals to make the decisions for us.

The Supreme Court and your local telephone company have decided to hose everyone on the Internet.

Democracy is the illusion of the majority that they had a say in what the self-electing governing elite foists upon us.

Money and power of a small group decides who gets what. Get used to it. Personal Freedom is being excluded from scrutiny through sheer oversight by the governing elite.

self-regulating...

Hmmm...

I read all of this, and somehow I'm still not afraid.

We have something like OSPF, and it wouldn't be too much of an effort IMHO that routers would start to choose a "cheapest" instead of a "shortest" path.

Considering the good side of capitalism, this would lead to using the lines of whoever offers them cheap - bringing more network traffic (and hence, more money) to their networks instead of the ones of the more expensive telcos'.

So if I'm not thinking completely dumb here, there would soon be a self-regulatory effect on the whole thing, causing the "bad" guys to lose money (shares or even their complete business), while the more "good guys" would prosper.

Plus - who could stop us from buying WIMAX equipment and start building networks with our neighbours? ;-)

Just questions - correct me if I'm wrong or simply don't get it here...

cheers, wjl
wjl: you are spot on in terms of "routes". I am not sure about all the equipment/access points/routers and so on. I have different ideas on such.... :) But in terms of routes, I call the ISP model of the future a SRP. SRP = Stable Route Provider. In the future, a SRP may even pay you for access to your pipes and routes....

raising cattle

so I want to know......

How many lxer's out there think Tom would do well at "raising cattle"?

:)

He may not realize what he's getting into :(... Then agan, who knows :)
I know.
For the amusement of all LXers', I post this joke I received a while back regarding cattle. Certain names have been change to protect...Me.

Enjoy.

A cowboy was herding his cattle in a remote pasture when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced out of a dust cloud towards him.

The driver, a young man in a Brioni suit, Gucci shoes, Ray Ban sunglasses and YSL tie, leans out the window and asks the cowboy, "If I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd, will you give me a calf?"

The cowboy looks at the man, obviously a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully grazing herd and calmly answers, "Sure. Why not?"

The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer, connects it to his AT&T cell phone and surfs to a NASA page on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite navigation system to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo.

The young man then opens the digital photo in The Gimp and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg, Germany. Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot that the image has been processed and the data stored.

He then accesses a MySQL database through an ODBC connected OO-Calc spreadsheet with hundreds of complex formulas. He uploads all of this data via an email on his Blackberry, and after a few minutes, receives a response.

Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi- tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet printer and finally turns to the cowboy and says, "You have exactly 1586 cows and calves."

"That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves," says the cowboy. He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on amused as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.

Then the cowboy says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?"

The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why not?"

"You're a consultant." says the cowboy. "Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"

"No guessing required," answered the cowboy. "You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew; to a question I never asked; and you don't know anything about my business."

"Now give me back my DOG."
GREAT!
Aye. Heard that with sheep, which is what I would grow. See:

http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=31

cheers, wjl

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