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LXer.com; By Tom Adelstein
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Novell would do well to change some old conventions to match Debian. They would expand their support channels to pickup a massive user base and become the preferred Linux vendor in both distributions and services. They could also provide SUSE with more application options for their users.

I have given up on Red Hat. They went their own way some time ago. SUSE tried to do the same and almost failed more than once. While I like SUSE overall and I'm glad Novell bought them, Novell needs robust community support.



Free advice rarely gets accepted. With Miguel and Nat as influencers, Novell doesn't realize they have the wrong people advising them. Both gentleman are outstanding technicians but they lack the business savvy for a company like Novell.



SUSE does almost everything differently than any other Linux distribution. Before Novell purchased SUSE, I had many opportunities to discuss SUSE's business model. They considered differentiation a market advantage.



Market differentiation might make sense in a business school, but it makes no sense in the real world. Adherence to standards makes more sense in the free software world. Branding arises in Internet commerce as the result of communities of interest.



An example of differentiation



Simple conventions are important to Linux system administrators. I used to build RPMs for Red Hat and then attempt to install them in SUSE. They would not work in SUSE. I had to maintain two RPMS because Red Hat and SUSE refused to name their libraries the same.



When I log on to SUSE, Red Hat and Debian to update DNS files, I find the main configuration file, named.conf in different places. In Debian the path to the file lies in /etc/bind/named.conf. In Red Hat and Fedora, the file lives in /var/named/named.conf. In SUSE, the file lives in /etc/named.conf. I won't go into where all of them really live because outside of Debian, those files are symbolic links.



Additionally, the zone files have different names. The way SUSE implements chroot also seems odd. If you run a Linux shop without any SUSE servers, Novell will have a difficult time attempting to sell you their great management tools. Who wants to learn three implementations of Linux and try to keep a data center running efficiently?



Why Debian?



Debian has the largest development community of the various Linux distributions. They already make a stable Linux. I don't see any one supplanting them, especially SUSE.



Canonical branched Debian when creating Ubuntu. Shuttleworth added innovation to the plodding Debian model. Ubuntu has market penetration where Novell wants to go. Novell doesn't have anyone with the celebrity of Shuttleworth.



Linspire has captured a nice piece of the retail space. Wouldn't Novell love to put its training centers in MicroCenter and CompUSA? Remember Novell has a mainstream business reputation.



Xandros has the best interoperability with Windows shops. Novell could use many of Xandros' innovations. Xandros also uses Debian.



What to do?

Novell should acquire Canonical, Linspire and Xandros and start migrating pieces of SUSE to Debian. Imagine the vertical markets Novell could enter. Red Hat would have a higher profile competitor.



I doubt Novell would take my advice. Why would they? They've done business for 25 years and they already know everything. Meanwhile, what will they do about Debian's growth? Novell doesn't just have Red Hat with whom to contend. Novell has some stiff competitors in areas they want to go with SUSE.



Let's see what they will do.

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> Novell should acquire Canonical, Linspire and Xandros...

They could not market their own OS (NetWare) well, so... They certainly won't be be able to market someone elses' OSes well, be it SuSE, Ubuntu (from Canonical) etc.

Let Ubuntu live its own way. The death of SuSE if enough

Dmitry

As a slightly counter argument.. well.. maybe wrong word...

Perhaps what we need is a Debian with some of the enterprise like qualities of SUSE and Red Hat.

I think that would be much easier to do than to try to teach the "know it alls" new tricks!

(as you mentioned, Debian is slowly... sometimes too slowly... maturing that direction anyhow)

A Debian with enterprise qualities. Like Xandros, or Mepis, or Progeny?

Ian Murdock's company Progeny does custom Debian installs for Corporate environments. http://www.progeny.com/

I don't think you can get anything more 'debIAN' than something from Ian Murdock.
Possibly.. but I work for a major ISV, and only SUSE and Red Hat are "visible" market players.

You have to factor that into "enterprise qualities"....

(I know... it's a catch-22)
Knowing for whom you work, I agree with your assessment. I'd make it available for Debian though.

Chris, when I ran Bynari we only made product for Red Hat and SUSE even though we developed on Debian. That strated six years ago. That's also why exim would up in our product stack.

Today, that makes no sense to me. We could as easily created debs for download. I think our server would have become more popular if we had it in one of the repositories, had worked with some of the Debian team and make it 100% open source.

I notice that the so-called Open Exchange product is designed like Insight Server, they have a proprietary installation script and control panel. You can download everything but that.

Otherwise, you can get the same components off the Internet.

That's not your situation, it just depends on how much growth you guys could stand.



Couldn't be more wrong

There are some movie critics that I like to read. Very often, my opinion of the movie is the exact opposite of that critic's opinion.

I'm beginning to wonder if the same is true of Adelstein. I've tried Debian and Debian-inspired distros and have run screaming back to SUSE each time. This article has got to be the most wrong-headed opinion I've seen in a while.

Anand
Well, I can appreciate your honesty. Just remember it's your opinion. The article wasn't a condemnation of SUSE in any way.

Now, I'll share my opinion. People who use the terms "wrong" and "right" instead of "work" and "not work" have an agenda which translates to wanting to injure another in word or deed. When you make someone else wrong you are doing so to make yourself right. Psychologically, you're a mess Bhai Sahab.

Glad that Novell bought SuSE ?

Tom,

While you're glad that Novell bought SuSE I respectfully disagree. When I compare the previous SuSE Linux Professional to the current SuSE Linux 10 I see a lower price at a high cost : - no source RPMs in the package - a cheap box for the CDs - not the outstanding manuals

In case someone thinks that SLES might be a replacement for SuSE Linux Professional please reconsider as the price gap for me would be more than 20,000 euro per annum on mostly low cost but high profile systems with more than 1,000,000 attendees weekly.

At a side note, when I check the named.conf file on a server here I see : volens:/etc # ls -l | grep named.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root named 6182 Feb 28 18:25 named.conf That's not a link as far as I know. :-)

Regards,

Fred
Fred,

You can respectfully disagree any time your please. We need your input at Lxer.

I'm sorry that Novell did those things but in the US, SLES came long before Novell bought SUSE. IBM marketed the SLES package and helped get it certified under the Common Criteria. SLES cost $5000 per box in US last time I looked.

I should have made it clear that I referred to the free version of SUSE 10. I don't use SLSE any more now that I would have to pay for it ;-)

On the other issue, I used chroot for BIND and my named.conf is a symbolic link. If one doesn't hide the files deep in the /var/named..... directory, it would be as you indicated.

I'm happy to see you.

Just to let you know I started reading you

I'm reading you, keep up writing even if your opinions don't always converge with mines!

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