Microsoft Upset Over Groklaw's Article on ODF

quote:: I'm not sure if it's still available or not, but did you ever look at Borland's Kylix? ::quote

I haven't coded in Pascal since I was at Polytech doing computer studies, back in the 1980s, we used TurboPascal, it has a one pass compiler, so you had to code your lowest order functions first, never did get my head around that.

quote:: I've also found that Eclipse 3.2 has been more than suitable as a replacement for VS - including VS.Net. ::quote

If someone can point me in the right direction for setting up Eclipse for Web Development, I'd happily give it a real try, Java and C# (which I code in these days) are pretty close, so the transition shouldn't be all that hard, at least for a few simple apps as tryers.

quote: I also suspect she's a bit younger than some here, ::quote

Don, you're a sweetie.

>Don, you're a sweetie.

Not all that sweet. Some of really are old and crusty.

BTW -- Turbo Pascal was the first compiled language I bought for my first PC. Liked it a lot, even though I moved quickly on to C.

If I recall, it cost 39.95 and fit on a single 360K floppy disk. FWIW, I purchased it at the original SoftWareHouse in Dallas. Name may not mean much to you these days, but SoftWareHouse grew and grew and grew. Today it's called CompUSA.

> I haven't coded in Pascal since I was at Polytech doing computer studies, back in the 1980s,

Well then, you've dated yourself. You're at least as old as me. Still, I don't know if anyone is as old as dino. ;-)

You really do strike me as younger though. I was guessing you were fresh out of college. No question about it, you're a real character - no wonder you fit in here.

Dino: Wasn't it one of your classmates that invented the sliderule?

> Still, I don't know if anyone is as old as dino. ;-)

Just a young punk to me :D

Ahhhh, everything seems to be OK.

@tracyanne: Here are a few Eclipse links that might be helpful...you may have already found them:

http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/main.php

http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-54.h...

http://www.improve-technologies.com/alpha/esharp/

...Google for more.

@ Dos D's: I still have my Pascal text and a DOS copy of Borland Turbo C++ Builder...but my first programming language was PL/1 on an IBM S/390 mainframe. I'm really not THAT old, but the equipment at my college was! These days you are old if you remember Netscape.

quote:: These days you are old if you remember Netscape. ::quote

Crikey! I remember Netscape, used to use it.

quote:: You really do strike me as younger though. ::quote

I've been told many a time to act my age. I'm just not a good actor.

> Dino: Wasn't it one of your classmates that invented the sliderule?

Nah, that came later. Dino and company were still using abacuses. :)

Edit: I should add that I did in fact learn to use a slide rule in high school, and have used one on occasion. I think we still have two floating around the house somewhere. I cut my teeth on the TI-30 though.

jdixon -

Slide Rules.

Ah, the good old days. Used to be everybody was required to learn the art of the good old logarithmic rule. Do you remember the giant wall-mounted slide rules classrooms used to have?

One thing's for sure --

You never had to worry about the battery going out.

Welcome to LXer, Sr.

>Welcome to LXer, Sr.

You got a problem with that, Bud?

If you do, just stand still long enough for my eyes to sort of bring you into focus and I'll beat some sense into you.

OK -- maybe not beat, but tap annoyingly at you.

That'll show you, by gum.

No problem at all...I'm feeling younger already.

I always tease my dad about having graduated in the same class with Moses. I can go back as far as the Apple IIe. Not sure I can go any further. We got an Intellivision game console as kids, and my cousin had Atari.

My dad is retired now, but he was a data processing manager for a major airline for many years. It's funny to watch him hunt-and-peck on his Mac these days. It's ironic that although he held that position, we never had a computer at home. We did get stacks and stacks of green and blue bar computer print out to draw on. He gave me his old slide rule, though I never learned how to use it....I'm a TI kid. Do you remember that handheld LED football game where you clicked the dashes to the finish line? I forgot what those were called...must be getting old.

> the giant wall-mounted slide rules classrooms used to have?

Oh yes! A friend of mine has one tucked in his attic and I've been tryng to talk it out of him for years with no luck.

heh. Guess I'm one of the younger ones hanging around. My first comp was a 486 I got in '93. Though we did have an Atari 800 for a while when I was real young (*sigh*. Wish we still had it.). /me giggles at all the old people ;)

Yeah, well, when I was a kid, we had to walk 10 miles to go to school...barefoot...in the snow...uphill both ways. That didn't leave us much time to play with them fancy computers.

>Yeah, well, when I was a kid, we had to walk 10 miles to go to school...barefoot

You had a school?

And feet?

I had to waddle along on my flppers until they finally evolved into feet.

Pong was a lot more fun with flippers, wasn't it?

>Pong was a lot more fun with flippers, wasn't it?

Flipper Pong. Those were the days.

quote:: tracyanne: Here are a few Eclipse links that might be helpful...you may have already found them: ::quote

I'm looking at these, as we speak.... so to speak.

Quoting:GROKLAW is gradually putting together a full list of the 3000 plus documents that the judge in the Microsoft Iowa case released into the public domain.

According to Groklaw, the plaintiffs filed the PDFs online but Microsoft quickly settled the case to close the website. Unfortunately this is the web so plenty of people grabbed the PDFs and Groklaw is now reviewing them.

Here, for example, is Bill Gates' deposition, while at this site you can find a vast list of PDFs. µ

http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=38056