Is Linux still too geeky?

Well, Gnome, KDE, FluxBox, Enlightenment... it matters not. My main feeling is that if Ubuntu is going to be our community's mouthpiece to the world, it needs to be better than it is.

I see no reason for Ubuntu to be the mouthpiece. PCLinuxOS is growing into quite a storm of it's own for example. IIRC it took over the top position in the distrowatch rank from Ubuntu :-) (not that the DW rank says that much).

I think we somehow need to make sure it's not just Ubuntu reviews and tutorials that hit the "mainstream" media.

Perhaps HP would be kind enough to make it their distro of choice for Lin-pre-installed.

Quoting:I think we somehow need to make sure it's not just Ubuntu reviews and tutorials that hit the "mainstream" media.

Yes.

It's not out of the realm of possibilities for something besides Ubuntu to be preloaded on something Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer, etc., sells. If it's preloaded and somehow supported by a major hardware manufacturer, it will be covered in the mainstream media.

For the time being, the heat is on Ubuntu, and there's really no denying it.

I really don't understand the negativity towards Gnome - it's just so much more elegant and attractive than any of the alternatives. I've used them all and Gnome is just miles ahead of all the rest. Whilst I realise that it's mostly a matter of taste - some people need to realise that to use KDE is to display a serious lack of taste.

;-)

Quoting:some people need to realise that to use KDE is to display a serious lack of taste.

I've never claimed to have taste. But I do like a desktop that works.

His comment was in poor taste. Hope he was kidding.

sal straps on body armour and a tin hat

I was just joking. Honest guv'.

I never criticised the functionality of one over t'other. Both work very well indeed. It's a personal thing, as all "taste" is. I was merely playing with words and making fun of KDE, because Gnome is better. Oops, I did it again.

I'm just winding y'all up, as is so easy to do with KDE users. Such a serious bunch.

;-)

Sal -

It's OK. KDE users, such as myself, really do tend to get wound up a bit.

Frankly, I agree with you.

KDE is a busy and complicated desktop for busy and complicated people.

GNOME is simple and rather empty.

For simple and rather empty people? :-p

No, for people who prefer to fuss about with their apps instead of fussing about with their desktop environment :-)

Can E17 be used with Compiz?

> No, for people who prefer to fuss about with their apps instead of fussing about with their desktop environment.

Yes. All three of them. KDE's wide choice of applications is just too overwhelming for some of us. :)

Maybe that's why I prefer XFCE?

>No, for people who prefer to fuss about with their apps instead of fussing about with their desktop environment :-)

There, there, we understand why you'd want to raise a fuss while running GNOME.

jacog: As an E17 user would say, "why would you want to do that? We were doing that stuff six years ago!"

Which doesn't answer the question, but I thought I would get it out there quickly.

>but I thought I would get it out there quickly.

I presume that you just wanted to Enlighten us.

oof, dino droppings

*holds nose and runs away*

dino: Not particularly. I'm not a regular E user. But I do give every numbered release a test drive, just to see what their current "state of the art" is.

The answer I gave is what your typical E fanbois would say, so I wanted to beat them to the punch. Nothing more. And it looks like I succeeded.

gus3 -

Worry not, weedhopper. I just couldn't resist the atrocious pun.