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Debian Lenny doesn't fix my Nautilus problem, but a look at the bug report tells me why the issue is "resolved"
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Nautilus bug is fixed
24 earlier comments in the full thread.
Quoting:Which is all very good stuff, but seems to emphasize that Debian should not be considered to be a desktop OS.
Why not? Because something that doesn't have the latest versions of everything can't be considered a Desktop OS? Nonsense. Debian makes a great Desktop OS because it's rock solid and has a vast amount of supported packages. More than any other distro.
It may not fulfill your particular niche of being up-to-date with all the latest versions, but Debian wasn't designed to fit every niche.
As far as installing a basic GNOME desktop, then just use Debian CD#1, and select "desktop". It will install a basic GNOME desktop.
If you want KDE or XFCE, there are specific CD#1's for those. I do dislike that CD#1 generic isn't _labeled_ GNOME, it would make things so much less confusing.
Reading over people's objections, I can understand the frustration with Stable. But there are several options one has, if one wants to run Stable: Backports, 3rd party repositories, compiling from source, or _gasp_ running Unstable instead.
If you want KDE or XFCE, there are specific CD#1's for those. I do dislike that CD#1 generic isn't _labeled_ GNOME, it would make things so much less confusing.
Reading over people's objections, I can understand the frustration with Stable. But there are several options one has, if one wants to run Stable: Backports, 3rd party repositories, compiling from source, or _gasp_ running Unstable instead.
>unning Unstable instead.
I did that when I was running Debian. Stuff I used was changing to quickly for stable to be useful.
Then, when all of the QT licensing hubbub hubbed and bubbed, unstable shot me in the groin.
I wonder if, had the testing branch been available, I would ever have been gotcha'd.
Testing really is supposed to be safer than unstable.
I did that when I was running Debian. Stuff I used was changing to quickly for stable to be useful.
Then, when all of the QT licensing hubbub hubbed and bubbed, unstable shot me in the groin.
I wonder if, had the testing branch been available, I would ever have been gotcha'd.
Testing really is supposed to be safer than unstable.
Stable does not run on my laptop. All sorts of problems that can only be
explained by voodoo.
Installing Testing as we type.
Standby for questions.
Installing Testing as we type.
Standby for questions.
I think Debian is a great desktop system. I've been using it in that fashion since Etch went stable. The Nautilus bug notwithstanding, Lenny (testing) has been running well on my laptop. I had to run a cron job to control the CPU fan with the newer kernel (the Etch kernel managed the fan automatically) but that's been the case every other time I've tried a distro with a 2.6.20-something kernel (Etch is 2.6.18). I spent a small amount of time using CentOS on the desktop, but I didn't know nearly enough to figure out how to get anywhere near the number of packages that are available in Debian (or Ubuntu for that matter).
One funny thing in Debian: The fonts in Iceweasel and Epiphany look kind of funny on a CRT monitor, but they look great on an LCD screen, so Debian seems very well suited to use on a laptop.
One reason I'm sticking with Lenny instead of rolling back to Etch is that the newer GNOME is so much nicer looking.
One funny thing in Debian: The fonts in Iceweasel and Epiphany look kind of funny on a CRT monitor, but they look great on an LCD screen, so Debian seems very well suited to use on a laptop.
One reason I'm sticking with Lenny instead of rolling back to Etch is that the newer GNOME is so much nicer looking.
Quoting:One reason I'm sticking with Lenny instead of rolling back to Etch is that the newer GNOME is so much nicer looking.
I think that's mostly because of a better theme and because of a better Tango iconset. You should be able to install those on Etch as well.
Colonel,
maybe Etch-and-a-half will help and come to the rescue? At the moment, you'd still have ti build your own installation medium AFAIK, but it's a great promise to have a 2.6.24 on Etch - together with all the support of newer hardware and such...
Read more about it on maks blog.
cheers, wjl
maybe Etch-and-a-half will help and come to the rescue? At the moment, you'd still have ti build your own installation medium AFAIK, but it's a great promise to have a 2.6.24 on Etch - together with all the support of newer hardware and such...
Read more about it on maks blog.
cheers, wjl
Etch, no go
The one before Etch, Sarge? didn't work
Testing, nope
Linux Mint, nada
PCLOS MiniMe, does not work
PCLOS Gnome, will not install
PCLOS KDE, Thats what I am posting from now. Installed Gnome after
the reboot because I like Gnome.
The killer for every one that did not work was internet. Except for the PCLOS Gnome, all installed fine, used my connection to DL those 600+ packages. Reboot into the new install and no connection. No ethernet, no wireless. No amount of swearing or voodoo or even three hours with a NetGuru via phone.
Maybe thats why Averatec went out of business?
POed to the max, I can not be holy if I am not running Debian on ALL my machines.
Do not think further about this! This lappy is now undead just like the zombies around New Orleans. This will remain as-is. Fall out!
The killer for every one that did not work was internet. Except for the PCLOS Gnome, all installed fine, used my connection to DL those 600+ packages. Reboot into the new install and no connection. No ethernet, no wireless. No amount of swearing or voodoo or even three hours with a NetGuru via phone.
Maybe thats why Averatec went out of business?
POed to the max, I can not be holy if I am not running Debian on ALL my machines.
Do not think further about this! This lappy is now undead just like the zombies around New Orleans. This will remain as-is. Fall out!
Colonel what hardware does your laptop have.
Get a $10 ethernet PCMCIA card. Install Debian.
> Colonel what hardware does your laptop have.
That would seem a salient point.
That would seem a salient point.
Averatec 3250
HD: Vendor: Western Digital Corp. Model: WD600VE-00KWT0 Media class: hd
CD/DVD: Disk identifier: QSI DVD+/-RW SDW-082S
AGP Controller: Vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. Description: KM400 Bridge Media class: BRIDGE_HOST
PCI to PCI Bridge: Vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. Description: PCI-to-PCI Bridge (AGP 2.0/3.0) Media class: BRIDGE_PCI
Video Card: Vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. Description: KM400 Graphics Adapter Media class: DISPLAY_VGA
Soundcard: Vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. Description: VT8233 [AC97 Audio Controller] Media class: MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO
Processor ID: 1
Vendor: AuthenticAMD Model name: mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP-M (LV) 2200+ Cpuid family: 6 Model: 10 Model stepping: 0 Connection Vendor ID: 0x0000 Device ID: 0x0000 Sub vendor ID: 0x0000 Sub device ID: 0x0000 Performances Frequency (MHz): 1658.750 Cache size: 512 KB Bogomips: 3321.13 Bugs Fdiv bug: No Coma bug: No F00f bug: No Halt bug: No FPU Is FPU present: Yes Whether the FPU has an irq vector: Yes Misc Cpuid level: 1 Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up ts fid vid Write protection: Yes
NIC: Vendor: RaLink Description: Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card Media class: NETWORK_OTHER
NIC: Vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. Description: VT6102 [Rhine II 10/100] Media class: NETWORK_ETHERNET
Okay? More?
128 and 512 cache 512MB RAM
Another big salute from the Colonel to you nice people.
HD: Vendor: Western Digital Corp. Model: WD600VE-00KWT0 Media class: hd
CD/DVD: Disk identifier: QSI DVD+/-RW SDW-082S
AGP Controller: Vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. Description: KM400 Bridge Media class: BRIDGE_HOST
PCI to PCI Bridge: Vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. Description: PCI-to-PCI Bridge (AGP 2.0/3.0) Media class: BRIDGE_PCI
Video Card: Vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. Description: KM400 Graphics Adapter Media class: DISPLAY_VGA
Soundcard: Vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. Description: VT8233 [AC97 Audio Controller] Media class: MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO
Processor ID: 1
Vendor: AuthenticAMD Model name: mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP-M (LV) 2200+ Cpuid family: 6 Model: 10 Model stepping: 0 Connection Vendor ID: 0x0000 Device ID: 0x0000 Sub vendor ID: 0x0000 Sub device ID: 0x0000 Performances Frequency (MHz): 1658.750 Cache size: 512 KB Bogomips: 3321.13 Bugs Fdiv bug: No Coma bug: No F00f bug: No Halt bug: No FPU Is FPU present: Yes Whether the FPU has an irq vector: Yes Misc Cpuid level: 1 Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up ts fid vid Write protection: Yes
NIC: Vendor: RaLink Description: Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card Media class: NETWORK_OTHER
NIC: Vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. Description: VT6102 [Rhine II 10/100] Media class: NETWORK_ETHERNET
Okay? More?
128 and 512 cache 512MB RAM
Another big salute from the Colonel to you nice people.
"NIC:
Vendor: RaLink
Description: Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card
Media class: NETWORK_OTHER
"
Fascinating, so it is in fact a PCMCIA ethernet card? And it works in other Linux distributions with the same kernel version (or close)?
That makes no sense at all. No wonder you're frustrated! It's not like there's a proprietary kernel driver included in every other distribution that isn't in Debian.
Ok, how about the outputs of "lspci" and "lsmod"?
Fascinating, so it is in fact a PCMCIA ethernet card? And it works in other Linux distributions with the same kernel version (or close)?
That makes no sense at all. No wonder you're frustrated! It's not like there's a proprietary kernel driver included in every other distribution that isn't in Debian.
Ok, how about the outputs of "lspci" and "lsmod"?
lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [KM400/A] Chipset Host Bridge
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI Bridge
00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)
00:0a.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ601/6912/711E0 CardBus/SmartCardBus Controller (rev 20)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 80)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 80)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 80)
00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 82)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 ISA Bridge
00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
00:11.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 80)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)
lsmod Module Size Used by sg 34840 0 scsi_mod 134600 1 sg rt2500 177220 1 snd_seq_dummy 3908 0 snd_seq_oss 32512 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7616 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq 52272 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event af_packet 22120 2 snd_pcm_oss 43072 1 snd_mixer_oss 16608 1 snd_pcm_oss ipv6 257888 14 video 15108 0 snd_via82xx 28312 2 gameport 15368 1 snd_via82xx snd_ac97_codec 95268 1 snd_via82xx snd_ac97_bus 2400 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm 76868 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec thermal 13544 0 snd_timer 22884 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 10152 2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm sbs 14372 0 snd_mpu401_uart 8704 1 snd_via82xx snd_rawmidi 24320 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8268 4 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi i2c_ec 5120 1 sbs fan 4804 0 snd 52708 13 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9824 2 snd container 4448 0 button 6640 0 battery 9636 0 ac 5188 0 ide_cd 39712 0 cdrom 36928 1 ide_cd binfmt_misc 11912 1 loop 16328 0 dm_mirror 21616 0 dm_mod 56440 1 dm_mirror cpufreq_ondemand 6956 0 cpufreq_conservative 7592 0 cpufreq_powersave 1920 0 powernow_k7 7688 0 freq_table 4960 1 powernow_k7 processor 28776 2 thermal,powernow_k7 via_agp 9984 1 agpgart 32424 1 via_agp nvram 9000 0 martian_dev 19156 0 mmc_block 8136 0 sdhci 18476 0 mmc_core 24448 2 mmc_block,sdhci 8250_pci 21120 0 ohci1394 35152 0 ieee1394 297848 1 ohci1394 bttv 172308 0 video_buf 25220 1 bttv ir_common 28196 1 bttv compat_ioctl32 1472 1 bttv i2c_algo_bit 9288 1 bttv btcx_risc 5096 1 bttv tveeprom 15056 1 bttv i2c_core 21376 4 i2c_ec,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom videodev 24960 1 bttv v4l1_compat 14148 1 videodev v4l2_common 23328 2 bttv,videodev pcmcia 37580 0 firmware_class 10112 2 bttv,pcmcia yenta_socket 26700 1 rsrc_nonstatic 13792 1 yenta_socket pcmcia_core 40244 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic capability 5000 0 commoncap 7360 1 capability usbmouse 5696 0 usbhid 51712 0 ehci_hcd 32488 0 uhci_hcd 23784 0 usbcore 127364 5 usbmouse,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd evdev 9888 2 joydev 9920 0 ext3 134376 2 jbd 57224 1 ext3
Remember I am running PCLOS so I don't know if "lsmod" is going to do much good?
lsmod Module Size Used by sg 34840 0 scsi_mod 134600 1 sg rt2500 177220 1 snd_seq_dummy 3908 0 snd_seq_oss 32512 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7616 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq 52272 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event af_packet 22120 2 snd_pcm_oss 43072 1 snd_mixer_oss 16608 1 snd_pcm_oss ipv6 257888 14 video 15108 0 snd_via82xx 28312 2 gameport 15368 1 snd_via82xx snd_ac97_codec 95268 1 snd_via82xx snd_ac97_bus 2400 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm 76868 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec thermal 13544 0 snd_timer 22884 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 10152 2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm sbs 14372 0 snd_mpu401_uart 8704 1 snd_via82xx snd_rawmidi 24320 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8268 4 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi i2c_ec 5120 1 sbs fan 4804 0 snd 52708 13 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9824 2 snd container 4448 0 button 6640 0 battery 9636 0 ac 5188 0 ide_cd 39712 0 cdrom 36928 1 ide_cd binfmt_misc 11912 1 loop 16328 0 dm_mirror 21616 0 dm_mod 56440 1 dm_mirror cpufreq_ondemand 6956 0 cpufreq_conservative 7592 0 cpufreq_powersave 1920 0 powernow_k7 7688 0 freq_table 4960 1 powernow_k7 processor 28776 2 thermal,powernow_k7 via_agp 9984 1 agpgart 32424 1 via_agp nvram 9000 0 martian_dev 19156 0 mmc_block 8136 0 sdhci 18476 0 mmc_core 24448 2 mmc_block,sdhci 8250_pci 21120 0 ohci1394 35152 0 ieee1394 297848 1 ohci1394 bttv 172308 0 video_buf 25220 1 bttv ir_common 28196 1 bttv compat_ioctl32 1472 1 bttv i2c_algo_bit 9288 1 bttv btcx_risc 5096 1 bttv tveeprom 15056 1 bttv i2c_core 21376 4 i2c_ec,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom videodev 24960 1 bttv v4l1_compat 14148 1 videodev v4l2_common 23328 2 bttv,videodev pcmcia 37580 0 firmware_class 10112 2 bttv,pcmcia yenta_socket 26700 1 rsrc_nonstatic 13792 1 yenta_socket pcmcia_core 40244 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic capability 5000 0 commoncap 7360 1 capability usbmouse 5696 0 usbhid 51712 0 ehci_hcd 32488 0 uhci_hcd 23784 0 usbcore 127364 5 usbmouse,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd evdev 9888 2 joydev 9920 0 ext3 134376 2 jbd 57224 1 ext3
Remember I am running PCLOS so I don't know if "lsmod" is going to do much good?
Ok, I concede. I can find _no_ "rt2500" module.
I cheat by using my old Orinoco WaveLAN PCMCIA card -- works with damn near everything (no WPA, though). I've got to get one of those PCMCIA Ethernet adapters for my old, networkless Compaq Armada 7770dmt.
Colonel, might I suggest http://www.pastebin.ca for the next time you want to post something
along the lines of lspci or lsmod. The formating for the thread is all broken now. Using a
pastebin and then linking the URL will keep that from happening.
Not a complaint or admonishment, just a suggestion to keep the flaky page formatting here on LXer from having a hemorrhage.
*edit* took two tries to get this message so it didn't run off into the invisible. */edit*
Not a complaint or admonishment, just a suggestion to keep the flaky page formatting here on LXer from having a hemorrhage.
*edit* took two tries to get this message so it didn't run off into the invisible. */edit*
00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01) in the "lspci"
>>>>Fascinating, so it is in fact a PCMCIA ethernet card? And it works in other Linux distributions with the same kernel version (or close)?
Well it is an internal mini-PCI card. I have had Ubuntu running untill I upgraded to Gutsy. The Ubuntu would not run unless I used a very old kernel. PCLOS just works, no tinkering needed
Don't sweat it, it is working just fine right now. If I have to reinstall an OS there will be questions. Lots and lots and lots of questions. Maybe I will send to one of you for a laying on of hands?
>>>>Fascinating, so it is in fact a PCMCIA ethernet card? And it works in other Linux distributions with the same kernel version (or close)?
Well it is an internal mini-PCI card. I have had Ubuntu running untill I upgraded to Gutsy. The Ubuntu would not run unless I used a very old kernel. PCLOS just works, no tinkering needed
Don't sweat it, it is working just fine right now. If I have to reinstall an OS there will be questions. Lots and lots and lots of questions. Maybe I will send to one of you for a laying on of hands?
azerthoth, I wondered what happened. Thanks for that link, it will be used.
I ever mention that colonel is one of the words that I read one way and say another? I read it colon-el and say it kernal. Thermopylae is another one, I read thermo pile a, and say therm op oh lee.
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