Here is a REAL challenge. Put up or shut up.
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Sander_Marechal Jan 03, 2008 1:14 PM EDT |
This is reposted from a comment made on linux.com about this article. If anyone wants to take up the offer, PM me though this site or send me an e-mail at sander at lxer dot com and I'll give you his e-mail address. I've added a few linebreaks to improve readability.Quoting: hkwint is wrong on many points, including his assumptions on historical events. Live CD's not invented before Linux? Obviously he has lived a sheltered life. The Amiga could be repaired with a live floppy which you then copied directly to the hard drive. Date 1985. IBMs OS2 could be booted directly from CD to repair OS2 installations as well as Windows installations. Date 1992. Let us not forget Operating Systems like QNX as well. Are young people this ignorant of history and arrogant every generation? (rhetorical question) |
helios Jan 03, 2008 2:24 PM EDT |
I'm on this Sander...Let's get the word out. h |
tuxchick Jan 03, 2008 2:35 PM EDT |
What kind of weird strawman challenge is this? It's baloney- FOSS is Software, not hardware. What is it going to prove? Even if you make it a software project, a single project won't prove which development model is more "innovative." Anyone who is willing to spend a little time doing some research and making comparisons will find thousands of examples where FOSS advances faster, and fosters more creativity. Exhibit A: Windows. What a steaming pile of overpriced dung. Innovative? Only in forcing people to actually pay money for it. I'd say a valid "put up or shut up" is a detailed analysis and comparison of existing software, not some insincere showboat hardware challenge. |
TCO Jan 04, 2008 4:28 AM EDT |
Live CD's not invented before Linux? Obviously he has lived a sheltered life. The Amiga could be repaired with a live floppy which you then copied directly to the hard drive. Date 1985. IBMs OS2 could be booted directly from CD to repair OS2 installations as well as Windows installations. Date 1992. Let us not forget Operating Systems like QNX as well. So you're comparing a Live CD with a boot disk? Isn't that being disingenuous. A DOS boot disk is an entire OS on a disk that runs "live". But that's really not the same. |
Abe Jan 04, 2008 6:43 AM EDT |
Quoting:next 48 hoursWhy limiting the challenge to 48 hours? I know news on the Internet travels fast, but I fail to understand what the reasoning behind limiting the time of this challenge. It's ridiculous. I also fail to understand what is the challenge. What are his expectations? Just to respond in 48 hour? I am at a loss. Hopefully Helios will let us know. |
gus3 Jan 04, 2008 7:52 AM EDT |
Rescue disks are not live CD's. They are not usable for everyday production (unless you're a repair tech), they include options not available for production use (such as mounting read-only or filesystem debugging), and you usually cannot use the OS on them as a boot into a usable system when the OS on the normal boot drive is damaged. Live CD's are tools for demonstrating an OS platform. Rescue CD's are tools for repairing an OS's weaknesses. Except for the Knoppix family, there is very little overlap between these two. |
Bob_Robertson Jan 04, 2008 9:43 AM EDT |
I would only disagree in that Knoppix, a full bootable OS and applications on a CD, _includes_ recovery tools. Recovery is not its purpose. Indeed, the impressive list of operating systems that booted from floppies/CDs prior to 1992 is nice, but not one of them came with an office suite. I think it's a troll. Knowledgable troll, yes, but still someone challenging other people to live up to his expectations. When no one does, he'll get to crow how wrong everyone else in the world is, and slither back into obscurity. |
tuxchick Jan 04, 2008 11:40 AM EDT |
Quoting: When no one does, he'll get to crow how wrong everyone else in the world is, and slither back into obscurity. As the official Eastern Oregon representative of the Slithering Serpentines Anti-Defamation Society, I take official umbrage at such a nasty slur. You, sir, are an asp. I have the official Troll Liberation Front on line two. Please hold. |
Bob_Robertson Jan 04, 2008 12:33 PM EDT |
> You, sir, are an asp. I think there will be times ahead when I will consider that a complement of the highest order. Search: John Ross Unintended Consequences |
tuxchick Jan 04, 2008 12:51 PM EDT |
Hey, I suck at puns- I want points for trying! |
Bob_Robertson Jan 04, 2008 1:03 PM EDT |
Nonono, it was excellent! I nearly woke my baby with my unsuppressible snickering. Keep your powder dry. |
gus3 Jan 04, 2008 10:13 PM EDT |
Bob, I did make a point of naming Knoppix specifically for being both a demo CD and a rescue CD. tc: "SSADS"? |
dinotrac Jan 05, 2008 1:26 AM EDT |
>Keep your powder dry. No. I must insist that you wet your powder. Or, at the very least, hide your bullets. |
hkwint Jan 05, 2008 7:25 AM EDT |
How long do I have before the 48 hours are over? Anyway, since the writer is equalling open source with Linux he's not that smart anyway I assume. Also, by stating "Linux programmers" don't listen to their users, he must have been exchanging the two words Microsoft and Linux by accident... |
tracyanne Jan 05, 2008 2:58 PM EDT |
just contact him. Have you ever heard of calling someone's bluff. There are two possible out comes. The blokes talking crap, or he's not. |
hkwint Jan 05, 2008 4:36 PM EDT |
When I asked about the 48h I was just kidding, if you someone didn't get that. Frankly, I don't care about it, since I don't have time to arrange others to do the software programming for this mr. anonymous; I'm not a manager telling other people which work they should do. If he needs programmers for a real innovative invention, he can find them without me, I guess. I replied on Linux.com (I hope the output is not as crappy as it looks here), and for me, that's it. I have new articles for LXer to write! |
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