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Story: Has the US Army declared war on Windows 7?Total Replies: 67
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techiem2

May 24, 2009
6:11 PM EDT
Quoting:The systems change, which will include upgrading from MS Office 2003 to MS Office 2007, has been ordered so as to “bolster Internet security” and standardise information systems.


i.e. replace known vulnerabilities with unknown vulnerabilities (at least unknown to us, maybe not unknown to MS and to the malware/virus writers).

Good note at the end though.

Quoting:Of course, many will be asking why the US Army is using Windows at all, let alone Vista which was voted the worst performing IT product of the year recently.


Bob_Robertson

May 24, 2009
6:34 PM EDT
> why the US Army is using Windows at all...

Because Gates knows who to bribe?

On a very serious note: The NSA created SELinux and the rest of the government doesn't use it. That is something I just don't understand.

Maybe the Constitutional deliberate inefficiencies such as separation of powers and other deliberate road-blocks are showing their ability to make the system as completely INefficient as possible.
caitlyn

May 24, 2009
6:35 PM EDT
It's good to see that Microsoft's lobbyists are still earning their keep.
gus3

May 24, 2009
8:10 PM EDT
@caitlyn:

The lobbyists are earning Microsoft's keep. As in, once Microsoft gets them, they keep them.

Side thought: I'd love to see the BSA try to force their way into a military office for a software audit.
Kagehi

May 24, 2009
10:39 PM EDT
Can just see it.. "Sir! I tried to fire the missle at the incoming nuke (lets, for a moment assume this isn't stupid), but Vista keeps asking me if I am *sure* I want to do it!" Almost as idiotic as the use of the same OS on British ships a while back, which took down their entire communications grid (I think it was)...
caitlyn

May 24, 2009
11:01 PM EDT
...or French aircraft being grounded by Windows malware. The list goes on...
techiem2

May 24, 2009
11:10 PM EDT
Or all their machines decide to do a post-updates forced reboot right in the middle of an OP......lol.
gus3

May 24, 2009
11:12 PM EDT
Obviously, Lt. Cmdr. Data didn't run on Windows.
nikkels

May 25, 2009
5:53 AM EDT
or:

Houston, Houston, we have a virus,

which happened for real not to long ago.
jhansonxi

May 25, 2009
5:34 PM EDT
If the militaries of all nations standardize on Windows then eventually they will all be immobilized by malware - thus bringing about world peace.
Sander_Marechal

May 25, 2009
6:06 PM EDT
@jhansonxi: A nice idea, but I don't trust missile silos running on Windows, let alone nuclear missile silos.
gus3

May 25, 2009
8:17 PM EDT
We should send BillG to North Korea.
Bob_Robertson

May 25, 2009
8:25 PM EDT
> thus bringing about world peace.

I must admit that that particular benefit of the government use of Windows had not occurred to me.
caitlyn

May 25, 2009
8:26 PM EDT
Nah... they are probably running Red Flag Linux. That won't work. Microsoft is the poster child for capitalist and (economic) imperialist.
Libervis

May 26, 2009
11:26 AM EDT
s/capitalist/corporatist
tuxchick

May 26, 2009
11:32 AM EDT
Bolster security... oh dear... I laughed so hard I think I wet myself.
Bob_Robertson

May 26, 2009
11:45 AM EDT
Exactly, Libervis.

Capitalism is simply private property. It has nothing to do with monopoly grants by government (copyright) which enrich a few at the COST to many.

With capitalism, great wealth can only happen by satisfying great numbers of people.
Sander_Marechal

May 26, 2009
12:54 PM EDT
...
gus3

May 26, 2009
1:20 PM EDT
What Sander said.
Bob_Robertson

May 26, 2009
1:43 PM EDT
Caitlyn started it this time!
caitlyn

May 26, 2009
2:03 PM EDT
Caitlyn was joking. Caitlyn was engaging in humour. Caitlyn was quoting tired old cold war propaganda. Caitlyn was NOT starting a political discussion.
gus3

May 26, 2009
2:37 PM EDT
Caitlyn was doing her best Bob Dole impersonation.

Woops, sorry, is that more political discussion?
jdixon

May 26, 2009
3:29 PM EDT
> Caitlyn was doing her best Bob Dole impersonation.

Looked more like Bill Clinton to me.
tuxchick

May 26, 2009
3:33 PM EDT
Quoting: Caitlyn was doing her best Bob Dole impersonation.


What, doing Viagra commercials?
caitlyn

May 26, 2009
3:37 PM EDT
I saw Bob and Elizabeth Dole on CSPAN last night. Bob Dole still has a good sense of humor. He looks like death warmed over, though.
Bob_Robertson

May 26, 2009
4:11 PM EDT
> Caitlyn was joking.

Sadly, there was no way to tell.

Shall I make some racist/sexist comments, and then say "just joking"?
gus3

May 26, 2009
5:28 PM EDT
@Bob and Libveris:

I've seen enough long-winded back-and-forth holier-than-thou lectures from you two in the past four months to make my stomach churn when I see your names. If you want to set up someone else with some trumped-up "offense" so you can play the put-upon victims, get your own websites and do it there.

It's taking a tremendous effort on my part to keep away from TOS violations right now.

@Scott and/or Sander:

If the above warrants my banning, go ahead and do it. I will not retract a single word.
caitlyn

May 26, 2009
5:47 PM EDT
If you can compare my comment to sexist/racist comments then you are beyond clueless.
jdixon

May 26, 2009
7:59 PM EDT
> If you can compare my comment to sexist/racist comments then you are beyond clueless.

I suspect that you severely underestimate Bob's skill with the English language.

In fact, I know you do, because that's what he just did.
gus3

May 26, 2009
8:29 PM EDT
I can say that "two plus two equals five."

It is still a false statement; its correct English grammar and vocabulary have no bearing on its veracity.
Bob_Robertson

May 26, 2009
8:32 PM EDT
If someone is going to use a word derisively, the least they can do is know what it means.

As Gus points out, it's not like the issue hasn't come up before.

With Libervis' alteration, I couldn't agree with Caitlyn's comment more. Microsoft is indeed an excellent example of corporate predation in action.
gus3

May 26, 2009
10:33 PM EDT
Quoting:If someone is going to use a word derisively, the least they can do is know what it means.
With you around, do we have a choice?

And does it occur to you that caitlyn was making a sardonic extrapolation from Communist propaganda, which is riddled with the term "capitalist" and not "corporatist"?
caitlyn

May 26, 2009
11:45 PM EDT
gus3: Precisely. I was making fun of cold war era Communist propaganda, not making any sort of political statement of my own. In that context capitalist is the right word because it's the word that was used at the time. The propagandists were never interested in correct definitions.
jezuch

May 27, 2009
2:02 AM EDT
Quoting:"two plus two equals five."


...for sufficiently large value of two.
Bob_Robertson

May 27, 2009
12:45 PM EDT
> The propagandists were never interested in correct definitions.

Another point upon which we couldn't agree more.

> ...for sufficiently large value of two.

Anyone with a 2-year old knows just how large a two can be!

Looks like Apple is just as elitist as Microsoft. I ran across a photograph-album application, written by Apple, which gives an error when accessed by anything other than Windows or Mac:

http://gallery.me.com/jschmill#100216
TxtEdMacs

May 27, 2009
1:49 PM EDT
Link seems to be loading. I had to allow scripts for the session and the photos are loading. Moreover, I looked at one individually and it behaved as others photo enlargements I have used. Only complaint is it was a bit slow, however, there seems to be quite a few photos.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042513 Ubuntu/8.04 (hardy) Firefox/3.0.10
Bob_Robertson

May 27, 2009
3:41 PM EDT
Fascinating, because for me it gives an error, and a list of supported browsers on Mac and Windows.

If I then say "go on anyway", it works (slowly).

Damn. It really must just be me.
jdixon

May 27, 2009
3:47 PM EDT
> It really must just be me.

We already knew that Bob. :)
Bob_Robertson

May 27, 2009
6:13 PM EDT
ouch
hkwint

May 27, 2009
6:46 PM EDT
Quoting:Caitlyn started it this time!


Don't agree here, gus3 started to make this thread political by insisting some wealthy US-dictator should join another dictator is some other country. While I don't think that's what the poor people in that other country need right now, I'll refrain from discussing & exploring the ins and outs of that very same idea with the argument to refrain from doing so being nothing more or less than "..."

Quoting:Fascinating, because for me it gives an error


It only does for L1b3rt1@ns (censored by LXer™ TOS® System™) running Konqueror (because only bloody ******** use Konqueror!) Join the mainstream Bob, start using FF. As you know, susceptibility to viruses increases with the number of users, and with Konqueror, you might never be able to join the malware-fun. If you don't know, thou shall read more Microsoft-created FUD and less M1s3s.
Bob_Robertson

May 27, 2009
7:47 PM EDT
HK, it gives me the same error in FireFox, too.

Konqueror: http://pages.suddenlink.net/curthowland/Pukes_Unsupported_Br...

FireFox: http://pages.suddenlink.net/curthowland/Pukes_Unsupported_Br...

> As you know, susceptibility to viruses increases with the number of users, and with Konqueror, you might never be able to join the malware-fun.

That's funny! But seriously, the reason I use Konqueror is the integration of file manager and browser. I've always liked the way I can treat remote ssh and ftp sessions in exactly the same way I treat the local file system, as well as the ease of copying from and to web pages and links.
jdixon

May 27, 2009
8:32 PM EDT
> ...it gives me the same error in FireFox, too.

No error here with FF 3.0.10 under Slackware. It is slower than molasses though.
hkwint

May 27, 2009
8:39 PM EDT
Seems even Firefox suffers from the Konq virus, Bob. Don't have a clue, works for me with FF as well (and Konq is installed on my system).
jdixon

May 27, 2009
8:57 PM EDT
Bob, if memory serves me correctly you're a Debian user. Are you running Firefox or Iceweasel? If the latter, have you tried installing Firefox and trying it?
Bob_Robertson

May 28, 2009
1:59 PM EDT
Hmmm, yes it could be identifying itself as "Iceweasel", that would be funny.

I'll take that as the reason, and let it go.
Sander_Marechal

May 28, 2009
4:26 PM EDT
I run IceWeasel and it identifies itself as such. I get the "unsupported browser" page but if I click "use this browser" then the app works fine, albeit a tad slow.
softwarejanitor

May 28, 2009
4:29 PM EDT
> We should send BillG to North Korea.

Is it just me, or does anyone else see some resemblance between Bill Gates and Kim Jong Il as Bill gets older...

Maybe its just the ugly glasses.
jdixon

May 28, 2009
4:54 PM EDT
> I run IceWeasel and it identifies itself as such. I get the "unsupported browser" page...

That seems to be the most likely source of the problem then, since Firefox seems to work, but Iceweasel doesn't. Setting Iceweasel to say it's Firefox would probably solve the problem.
caitlyn

May 28, 2009
5:52 PM EDT
@softwarejanitor: It isn't just you and the resemblance goes beyond the physical. Both are producing things that can cause massive destruction, albeit in very different ways.
Sander_Marechal

May 28, 2009
6:48 PM EDT
Now there's a thought... have Windows declared a WMD...
hkwint

May 28, 2009
7:04 PM EDT
Problem is, WMD didn't exist in Iraq. Windows on the other hand...
Libervis

May 28, 2009
7:59 PM EDT
Gus3:

Quoting:I've seen enough long-winded back-and-forth holier-than-thou lectures from you two in the past four months to make my stomach churn when I see your names. If you want to set up someone else with some trumped-up "offense" so you can play the put-upon victims, get your own websites and do it there.


There's a reason you perceive it as holier than thou lectures and why your stomach churns. It's hardly solely me and Bob. Cognitive dissonance can be a pain, I know.





jdixon

May 28, 2009
9:12 PM EDT
> Problem is, WMD didn't exist in Iraq.

Bites tongue.
theboomboomcars

May 29, 2009
9:25 AM EDT
Quoting:Bites tongue.


Don't bite to hard, we don't want you to loose it.
jdixon

May 29, 2009
12:44 PM EDT
> Don't bite to hard...

Just hard enough to keep from adding to an already existing TOS violation. :)
hkwint

May 29, 2009
1:09 PM EDT
Yeah, I know what you mean jdixon. Probably you also know what I mean?
jdixon

May 29, 2009
1:57 PM EDT
> Probably you also know what I mean?

I expect so, yes.
hkwint

May 29, 2009
2:06 PM EDT
Then we had a TOS-violating discussion without words it seems. Someone should ban us!
azerthoth

May 29, 2009
2:15 PM EDT
That infers that you knew what he meant and he knew what you meant and the rest of us could figure out that you were both inferring or referring to something that wasn't said and what it was that you said that you didnt say.
hkwint

May 29, 2009
2:20 PM EDT
Let's talk about US army and Windows. I hope talking about US army doesn't violate TOS.

Something like: What happened to this? http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2006/08/7545.ars

Or this? http://www.softwaretechnews.com/stn_view.php?stn_id=42&artic...
Bob_Robertson

May 29, 2009
2:26 PM EDT
> have Windows declared a WMD...

Weapon of Mass Delirium? Weapon of Mass Distraction? Way of Microsoft Domination? Worldwide Microsoft Devistation?

Ah! Way of Mass Deletion!
gus3

May 29, 2009
2:54 PM EDT
@Bob:

Does that last refer to Windows or this thread?
caitlyn

May 29, 2009
4:22 PM EDT
"They have computers and other weapons of mass destruction" --Janet Reno

That was taken out of context, of course, but it is a real quote.
hkwint

May 29, 2009
6:34 PM EDT
Like that one Bob!

I'd say Weapon of Miserable Dummb@ss. Oh, forgot, I asked to discuss about US Army and what happened to their open source plans. Am I the only one interested in discussing that one?
techiem2

May 29, 2009
8:16 PM EDT
Quoting:Oh, forgot, I asked to discuss about US Army and what happened to their open source plans.


Obviously they were written in a file in a document format MSO no longer supports, and were therefore lost.
hkwint

May 29, 2009
8:45 PM EDT
Hmm, so they are now migrating to Office 2007 to try to be able to read files in document formats MSO no longer supports; boasting about the standardization that Office2007 gives.

Nonetheless, it can't save in valid ISO 29500 (DoD has to wait for Office 2010 for that!), it can't save in decent ODF, it's worse that OOo when it comes to reading ancient MSO formats; so what standardization is there?
caitlyn

May 29, 2009
10:41 PM EDT
My tax dollars at work :(

Well... at least al-Qaeda can take some solace from this.
azerthoth

May 29, 2009
11:03 PM EDT
[[scathing diatribe about failed attempt at humor edited for content by author]]

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