Kubuntu should die
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| Author | Content |
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| Khamul Apr 14, 2012 4:11 PM EDT |
Speaking as a Kubuntu user myself, I think its developers (how many are there? 2?) should throw in the towel, and join the Mint project instead to work on their KDE version. Both these distros are undermanned anyway, and it makes more sense for them to combine their resources than to continue to work on two separate but mostly-identical KDE distros based on Ubuntu based on Debian. Plus, the name Kubuntu needs to be retired; Canonical obviously doesn't appreciate this derivative, so they don't deserve the name recognition brought by Kubuntu, and Linux Mint should get the glory instead. As soon as I make time to upgrade the distro on my desktop PC, it's going to Mint just like my laptop. |
| caitlyn Apr 14, 2012 4:23 PM EDT |
You seem to like dictating to developers today. You insist the openSUSE should drop GNOME in another thread and you're basically telling the Kubuntu developers that their distro should drop dead. Not going to happen. Kubuntu has already found another backer. There is no reason on earth the developers should quit a job they are actually getting paid for. |
| dinotrac Apr 15, 2012 12:53 AM EDT |
@caitlyn -- Dictating or not, he's right. Mint is nice and joined forces could do both more and better. Yes -- It's free software and people are entitlted to do as they damned well please. Doesn't change the fact that joining forces is often the most satisfying move small teams can make. |
| caitlyn Apr 15, 2012 1:02 AM EDT |
I can disagree, can't i? Kubuntu has financial backing which Mint lacks. Perhaps the Mint developers should give up and join the Kubuntu team instead. It makes more sense financially. |
| kikinovak Apr 15, 2012 5:50 AM EDT |
Kubuntu as well as Mint/KDE are 10% Kubuntu/Mint and 90% Debian. So why not just use plain Debian? I'm running a highly customized Squeeze/KDE on half a dozen desktops in my office and even install it on my clients' production desktops. Have yet to find some bugs. http://www.microlinux.fr/desktop_linux.php |
| Fettoosh Apr 15, 2012 1:34 PM EDT |
Quoting:Kubuntu has financial backing which Mint lacks. More accurately, Kubuntu used to have financial backing from Canonical but no longer will after Kubuntu 12.04. Now it has support from BlueSystems. And so does Mint-Linux for some projects. I fully agree with @Dino, @kikinovak and partially with @Khamul per what I outline in a previous comment here on Lxer. Partially with @Khamul because I don't find it necessary for the Kubuntu name to disappear although it might help because of the bad rap Kubuntu has been getting unjustifiably & unfairly. I have been and still using Kubuntu for a while now and find it to be best Distro over all & all around. Of course that is just my own opinion. |
| moabi Apr 15, 2012 2:14 PM EDT |
i agree that the name kubuntu should not be dropped. to my xperience too, kubuntu has been my first choice kde distro and it will continue to be. kubuntu is clean and sleek. i just love it... |
| lcafiero Apr 15, 2012 5:52 PM EDT |
It's not likely Kubuntu is going anywhere, nor should it. Also, many -- if not all -- reports about Canonical dropping sponsorship ignored the fact that the thriving Kubuntu community wasn't leaving the distro, and many -- if not all -- reports ignored the fact that Kubuntu would be treated in the same manner as Xubuntu, Lubuntu and any other *buntus out there NOT sponsored by Canonical. My understanding -- and the newly announced sponsorship may or may not have changed it -- is that Kubuntu folks were going to talk about the future at UDS next month in Oakland. |
| Khamul Apr 15, 2012 9:50 PM EDT |
@Fettoosh: I think the Kubuntu name needs to die, not because Kubuntu itself is bad, but because its parent, Ubuntu, has gone sour, and doesn't even support Kubuntu any more. Kubuntu, obviously, is a derivation of Ubuntu (as is its name), therefore I don't think Ubuntu deserves to gain any positive name recognition from Kubuntu. It would be better for it to either join Mint, or even come up with a totally new name, so that people don't associate it with Ubuntu/Canonical, and so that Canonical doesn't gain any undeserved lauding for Kubuntu's good qualities. But technically speaking, again, the differences between Mint and Kubuntu are extremely minor, and having two is wasted, duplicated effort. It's not like, say, openSUSE and Kubuntu, or Fedora and Kubuntu, etc., where the two distros differ in many fundamental ways (rpm vs. deb, for instance); Kubuntu and Mint KDE are both based on Ubuntu. Mint just doesn't advertise it so much, plus Mint is going off on its own more and more as it gains in prominence and resources. What's the point of having two KDE distros that don't differ from each other in any significant way? It's duplicated effort, which is a very bad thing in the Free software community where resources are scarce. The whole reason for having different distros is because the developers can't agree on certain fundamental points: should we use .deb or .rpm? How should we set up the startup scripts? Should we use upstart or SysVinit? For two distros both based on Debian and Ubuntu, these points of contention are non-existent. What are the things that the Kubuntu and Mint developers can't agree on? If there isn't anything they can't agree on, then there's no reason for them to not join forces. |
| slacker_mike Apr 16, 2012 5:39 PM EDT |
It is too bad that Mint KDE, Kubuntu, Netrunner, Aptosid, and Siduction couldn't work directly with Debian KDE developers to keep Debian up to date with the latest and greatest KDE releases. I think Debian has 4.7.4 available in Testing and Unstable. As for Kubuntu as far as I know Kubuntu doesn't have a native implementation of the Ubuntu-one service or the Ubuntu app store. So without direct support from Ubuntu the name Kubuntu seems a bit odd since it doesn't seem to be just Ubuntu with KDE, but an Ubuntu base without the Ubuntu extra stuff and KDE. Then again I am not too familiar with Kubuntu, I could be very wrong. |
| lordpenguin Apr 19, 2012 12:00 AM EDT |
I'm a little late to this discussion, but I should say, how would there be a Mint KDE without Kubuntu? |
| ComputerBob Apr 19, 2012 8:28 AM EDT |
Quoting:I'm a little late to this discussion, but I should say, how would there be a Mint KDE without Kubuntu?All of the 'buntus are based on Debian, so MintKDE could be based directly on Debian, instead of being based on one of its offspring. |
| jdixon Apr 19, 2012 8:42 AM EDT |
> All of the 'buntus are based on Debian, so MintKDE could be based directly on Debian, instead of being based on one of its offspring. And the way it's going, there's an increasingly greater chance of that happening. |
| BernardSwiss Apr 19, 2012 12:27 PM EDT |
There is already a Mint Debian Edition It currently offers Gnome (MATE/Cinnamon) and XFCE, (no KDE yet). |
| dinotrac Apr 19, 2012 10:40 PM EDT |
@BS -- My wife has Mint Debian on her workstation. Nice thing about it (in my humble opinion, at least) is that it's a rolling release. We can get new versions of software without having to upgrade. It's a Debian thing, I think. |
| jdixon Apr 19, 2012 10:54 PM EDT |
> There is already a Mint Debian Edition It currently offers Gnome (MATE/Cinnamon) and XFCE, (no KDE yet). I'd expect you could add KDE with a simple apt-get, though it wouldn't have Mint's customizations. |
| caitlyn Apr 20, 2012 10:13 PM EDT |
Speaking of KDE and not 'buntu, I'm download the ROSA 2012 Marathon beta tonight, as well as the LXDE based ROSA 2012 LTS. These two look very promising, and very possibly worth successors to Mandriva. |
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