Pity much of this isn't legal in the US
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| Author | Content |
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| caitlyn Jun 05, 2012 10:24 PM EDT |
I'm sure it all works just fine, but... |
| nikkels Jun 05, 2012 10:53 PM EDT |
caitlyn As far as I understand, certain things are not legal to host in the USA, but one guy ( American) told me it's legal to use it if downloaded from outside the USA ( Provided it's not tagged as pirated ). So, what exactly do you mean with....just fine, but... |
| tracyanne Jun 05, 2012 11:52 PM EDT |
Given that Australia has had to change it's laws to bring them in line with US laws, due to "free" trade agreements negotiated in secret and foist up the Australian people, I'm sure they are illegal in Australia, as well. Thankfully though, I don't have to go to that trouble, as Linux Mint as such non Free software install by default at install time, unless I choose otherwise, and download the no codecs version. |
| BernardSwiss Jun 06, 2012 12:04 AM EDT |
In a nutshell; "downloading" is not the same as "distributing". |
| helios Jun 06, 2012 12:39 AM EDT |
In some cases, "illegal" and "enforceable" do not reside in the same place. There are millions of Linux users downloading and installing such things as libdvdcss....the genie is pretty much out of the bottle. I've never really researched if doing so is illegal but either way, I really don't care. Can you imaging trying to pull this back? When millions participate in civil disobedience, it's hard to enforce any law. |
| tracyanne Jun 06, 2012 12:56 AM EDT |
As a rule of thumb, you can tell how bad a law is by the large numbers of people that ignore it. |
| caitlyn Jun 06, 2012 10:19 AM EDT |
Quoting:In some cases, "illegal" and "enforceable" do not reside in the same place. There are millions of Linux users downloading and installing such things as libdvdcss....the genie is pretty much out of the bottle.Ken gets this right. Users can indeed be sued for patent infringement, but it just isn't practical to do so. OTOH, users have been sued and heavily fined for piracy of copyrighted materials so it isn't impossible for someone to be picked to make an example of and hauled into court. Quoting:As a rule of thumb, you can tell how bad a law is by the large numbers of people that ignore it.Public support or lack thereof is not a good way to judge a law. Segregation was popular not all that long ago where I live. There's still plenty of racism here. Don't even get me started on the discriminatory anti-LGBT state constitutional amendment that was just voted in here in North Carolina. |
| gus3 Jun 06, 2012 10:30 AM EDT |
Quoting:Users can indeed be sued for patent infringementHuh? I thought the creator of a patent-infringing product was the one liable, not the user of said product. |
| ComputerBob Jun 06, 2012 10:38 AM EDT |
Quoting:Don't even get me started on the discriminatory anti-LGBT state constitutional amendment that was just voted in here in North Carolina.No matter where you stand on that particular issue, isn't your statement a TOS violation? |
| caitlyn Jun 06, 2012 10:40 AM EDT |
@ComputerBob: Probably. I wanted to respond to tracyanne's general statement with a specific example to show that statement doesn't work in a general way. I don't see any way to do that without a TOS violation. I also picked on that example because tracyanne has been public and open about the fact that she is a member of the community in question. I'm less open about it but since I was publicly outed as an attempt at character assassination I will add that I am also a member of the community in question. |
| ComputerBob Jun 06, 2012 10:46 AM EDT |
@Caitlyn: You're a very precise thinker and writer -- I'll bet you could have thought of a way to make your point without using "discriminatory" and "anti LGBT" -- for example, by simply dropping both of them from your sentence. |
| jdixon Jun 06, 2012 10:48 AM EDT |
> Public support or lack thereof is not a good way to judge a law. I halfway agree. Public support does not make a law good. However, lack of public support almost always makes it bad, simply because it becomes unenforcible and thus reduces public support for the law and the legal system in general. History indicates that a legal system which isn't supported by the people tends to have a short lifespan in comparison to systems which are, so this isn't a good thing. |
| caitlyn Jun 06, 2012 10:52 AM EDT |
@ComputerBob: Maybe I could, but I doubt I could have communicated nearly as effectively in making my example if I had. |
| ComputerBob Jun 06, 2012 11:09 AM EDT |
@Caitlyn: So your TOS violation was a conscious act of civil disobedience, meant to teach us all a lesson? Or are you saying that the ends justify the means? |
| caitlyn Jun 06, 2012 11:27 AM EDT |
@ComputerBob: Whoa! Talk about flinging wild accusations around! No, I did NOT consciously choose to violate the TOS. I simply meant to chose an example tracyanne could relate to since I was responding to her. I honestly didn't think about the TOS at all at the time. In retrospect, given your hostile reaction, I am glad I made the choice I did. I'm just sorry I can't take credit for doing so consciously or deliberately. It's important to know who is against basic equality and civil rights. It's good to know who my enemies are. Oh, and yes, I wrote this last paragraph deliberately. |
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