Bullies of Linux

@TC: Looking at the HTML source of the LXer front page, I'd say it's a Firefox problem. The HTML is clean and quite straightforwards. Just plain old divs with a grey background and a 1px border.

Does the same problem appear in FF 3.05 on Windows? (I recon it will since Gecko the rendering engine is platform agnostic).

> Does the same problem appear in FF 3.05 on Windows? (I recon it will since Gecko the rendering engine is platform agnostic).

It doesn't for me. Firefox 3.0.5 on Windows XP. My Linux box is at home, and I won't be back to check on it until Sunday. This is my work laptop.

I am running Slackware with FF 3.0.5 and don't see any such thing on either site.

The latest Ubuntu, looks fine on mine.

I'm using FF 3.0.5 on my Mandriva rig at home, and on Windows XP at work, I don't see those artefacts on either.

[serious]

At first, your first link just looked a bit odd. Going to the full page it took me time to recognize that I could create nearly the exact image by over compressing the width of the screen. I have Ff 3.0.5 that exhibits LXer quite nicely on larger browser frame.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008121621 Ubuntu/8.04 (hardy) Firefox/3.0.5

Quoting:I could create nearly the exact image by over compressing the width of the screen.

By over compressing, you mean simply reducing the width of the browser window? If so, it sounds clearly like a gecko bug. Report it at Mozilla.

Sander,

I am not too sure this is rendering bug. Compared to some failures I have seen on my pages, I consider the change almost elegant. One has to look at the css file to see if the minimums set cause the change that is akin to word wrapping text on a size limited width of a page.

To my eyes I do not find the compressed rendering as offensive, however, I must admit (using p.c. phrasing**) that I am among the artistically challenged. Perhaps that is a significant factor.

** political correct

[unfortunately again serious]

@dino -

> Ubuntu is at best OK, and far from my first choice as a general use OS.

ubuntu is, at best, fantastic.

I guess we have different definitions of what is meant by the phrase "at best".

@tracyanne Looks like Oz doesn't love Ubuntu. Try this instead:

http://www.google.com/search?q=uvcvideo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq...

herzeleid --

I should make clear that it's a personal opinion.

I have not doubt that Ubuntu can be fantastic for the easily pleased or those whose hardware never gives them grief.

> ubuntu is, at best, fantastic.

At best, almost any Linux distribution is fantastic. It's the normal condition which matters. As a non-Ubuntu user who has looked at and installed the distribution for others, I'd say it's roughly on par with about half a dozen other distributions. Hardware and software specific issues will determine which of those distributions work best for any individual user. What I do appreciate is Ubuntu's newbie friendly forum policy,

Quoting: At first, your first link just looked a bit odd. Going to the full page it took me time to recognize that I could create nearly the exact image by over compressing the width of the screen. I have Ff 3.0.5 that exhibits LXer quite nicely on larger browser frame.

Then I hope you're buying me a 60" plasma screen, because I have a 22" 1680x1050 screen, and those weird little artifacts on the LXer page still show up with the browser window fully maximized, and so does the text scramble on the other page.

TC!

Wow, I can now cut out the serious crap ... sorry I only have a 20" 1600 x 1200 and I hardly ever run a browser full screen width (actually I have dual screens with a little itty-bitty 17 incher next door to look at the code for my screwed up web pages). But in any case, I am not greedy. It will be perfectly acceptable if you just send me one of those cheap 42" LCD flat screen models so that I can watch DVD's in comfort.

I will always be highly appreciative, so much I will allow you to apply a pet name to my new found gift. [send private email for my shipping address.]

Thank you, thank you THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your buddy Txt. (don't be jealous deano dino, OK?)

Quoting:I could create nearly the exact image by over compressing the width of the screen. I

Nope, I don't get any artefacts, no matter how small I make the width of the FF window.

EDIT: Not on Linux or Windows

Just when I thought my kid's Ubuntu 8.04 install was going so well, I need to add the Childsplay Plugins package (I hope that's what I need, because otherwise there's going to be big trouble in River City) ... and the Ubuntu TuxPaint isn't as good as the Debian version (or the OpenBSD version ...).

Guess I'll be doing some compiling soon ... (or just rolling the Debian Lenny package into the Ubuntu install).

@dino -

> I have not doubt that Ubuntu can be fantastic for the easily pleased or those whose hardware never gives them grief.

I am not easily pleased, nor is my hardware perfect. But I do like ubuntu.

Quoting:One has to look at the css file to see if the minimums set cause the change that is akin to word wrapping text on a size limited width of a page.

I inspected the page using Firebug (best FF plugin ever. Get it). The CSS is dead simple. Sarah Vessels did a good job designing the current LXer layout. Also, looking at the screenshot that Carla posted it's quite clear that it is not word wrap or anything like that. All the words are there, and the artifacts are the same in all boxes (they don't change with the text).

> But I do like ubuntu.

Nothing wrong with that. I like liver and onions -- my kids make faces when I eat it.

I suspect it may have something to do with the theme (I think it uses gtk-qt theme engine) -- try disabling use of KDE styles in GTK apps in the KDE control center.