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10 Linux features Windows should have by default
The battle between Linux and Windows will most likely rage on for years to come. I can foresee that even when all things migrate to the cloud, users in both camps will still be screaming the virtues of their favorite operating system. And, of course, I will be one of those campers (and I can bet you know just which camp I’ll be in). But being in that camp does not preclude me from seeing the benefits and strengths of the Windows operating system.
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> flea dip.
I thought it was sheep dip.
I thought it was sheep dip.
Gus: I'm pretty sure it wasn't me. Yes Windows has multiple logins, but not multiple concurrent logins, well I'm told servers do, but I've never actually seen it in action, because even on our 2008 severs, if someone else is logged in it wants to log the other person out before anyone else can login.
It's interesting the assumptions the author makes. The assumption that everyone will move to cloud computing.
It's interesting the assumptions the author makes. The assumption that everyone will move to cloud computing.
BTW phsolide, you will find a person called tracy_anne, that is me.
> I thought it was sheep dip.
Same thing, Bob. It's a dip used on farm animals (sheep being a primary one) to kill fleas and ticks.
Same thing, Bob. It's a dip used on farm animals (sheep being a primary one) to kill fleas and ticks.
I'm looking forward the the authors next articles, "Windows things that Linux needs"
The interesting thing here, is that if they are genuine features, and not just something that some software or hardware manufacturer refuses to support Linux with, or has made impossible for a Linux hacker to write by the use of patents, then it will get developed for Linux.
The interesting thing here, is that if they are genuine features, and not just something that some software or hardware manufacturer refuses to support Linux with, or has made impossible for a Linux hacker to write by the use of patents, then it will get developed for Linux.
> Same thing, Bob.
I know, I just like the way "sheep dip" rolls off the tong. Toung. Tung. Tong. Oh darn, where's that dictionarey when I kneed one?
I know, I just like the way "sheep dip" rolls off the tong. Toung. Tung. Tong. Oh darn, where's that dictionarey when I kneed one?
"Windows things that Linux needs."
Of ten Windows things, at least one will lead to a security risk.
Of ten Windows things, at least one will lead to a security risk.
@phsolide +1. Getting rid of WinAPI should be the first thing to learn.
Quoting:phsolide: Is there any way to easily read all comments? Having to click each and every comment to read it become highly annoying after 3-4 clicks.
In ZDNet, click on "flat view," and you'll get all the comments in one chunk. I think I'm i_debian at ZDNet, but I rarely comment over there.
If anything supports Caitlyn's (and my) views on moderating forums and reader comments, it's the ZDNet forums. Unless you like a 1/1000 signal-to-noise ratio.
Oh, and as to the actual topic, Windows is beyond pitiful when it comes to multi-users. As gus3 and TA said, it does not have real multi-user support. This especially bites when you, as the ace Linux/Unix admin are magically transported by prankster demons with misplaced senses of humor to a job where your evil overlord requires you to admin Windows servers. So you says to yourself, first thing I do is set up remote administration. Ha! Haha! Lotsa luck, sucker, because the local admin user and the remote admin user are not the same to Windows, but two different users. As you can imagine, because you are smart Linux/Unix admins and not Monkey Craptastic Sorry*** Engineers, this creates all kinds of ingenious and amusing glitches.
Oh, and it sucks at everything else too.
Oh, and it sucks at everything else too.
Just on the subject of Concurrent logins on Windows Servers (or not). If Windows Servers do have multiple concurrent login capability, then, that is yet another thing Microsoft cripples for the desktop machines. Probably, given Microsoft's track record with security on Windows, not a bad idea (one less vector for the bad guys to use).
+2 tuxchick
I'm doing a government contract as some of you know. They have Windows XP exclusively on the desktop and a mix of servers including Novell NetWare 6.5 and Windows Server 2003. I look at the amazing amount of work done to clean up the flaws and problems which are unique to Windows, everything from registry corruption to malware infestations which crop up despite all the best software to prevent them, and all the lost hours doing that work which is simply unnecessary on other operating systems and marvel at the fact that anyone still uses Windows. Heck, management is so sold on Microsoft and so convinced that Linux isn't really enterprise ready that I no longer waste my breath. Meanwhile I'm using a Linux live CD I created to track down and solve network issues that nothing else they have could track down. The waste of taxpayer dollars is staggering and yet nobody can seem to sell management or the politicians on anything other than Windows. Oh.. and I'm working in the state capitol which is also the home to Red Hat.
I'm doing a government contract as some of you know. They have Windows XP exclusively on the desktop and a mix of servers including Novell NetWare 6.5 and Windows Server 2003. I look at the amazing amount of work done to clean up the flaws and problems which are unique to Windows, everything from registry corruption to malware infestations which crop up despite all the best software to prevent them, and all the lost hours doing that work which is simply unnecessary on other operating systems and marvel at the fact that anyone still uses Windows. Heck, management is so sold on Microsoft and so convinced that Linux isn't really enterprise ready that I no longer waste my breath. Meanwhile I'm using a Linux live CD I created to track down and solve network issues that nothing else they have could track down. The waste of taxpayer dollars is staggering and yet nobody can seem to sell management or the politicians on anything other than Windows. Oh.. and I'm working in the state capitol which is also the home to Red Hat.
I used to argue with NT advocates, back in the Old Days, in the usenet group "alt.fan.bill-gates". One of these advocates went on to be one of MSFT's "security experts"....
Anyway, I was assured over and over again that NT was in fact, multi-concurrent user back in the 1994-1995 time frame. What the heck? Was I mislead back then, by folks who went on to lead portions of Microsoft?
Anyway, I was assured over and over again that NT was in fact, multi-concurrent user back in the 1994-1995 time frame. What the heck? Was I mislead back then, by folks who went on to lead portions of Microsoft?
_phsolly,
If you added cygwin or OpenNT (later Interix, later WSFU, later ???) you could have multiple concurrent logins. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix
You just had to add the GNU stuff!
All kidding aside, I have always seen Windows boxes running in single user mode, but the last time I worked on Windows for a living was in the Windows 3.11 days running on Novell networks, so my experience is pretty limited.
Some people on the web seem to have achieved it: http://ajitmonteiro.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/how-to-enable-c... http://www.blogsdna.com/2336/enable-multiple-user-accessconc...
Gee Windows is soooo hard! you have to type all that command line stuff to do what comes with Linux already! Windows will never make it the marketplace because of that! (OK, all kidding is not aside!)
If you added cygwin or OpenNT (later Interix, later WSFU, later ???) you could have multiple concurrent logins. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix
You just had to add the GNU stuff!
All kidding aside, I have always seen Windows boxes running in single user mode, but the last time I worked on Windows for a living was in the Windows 3.11 days running on Novell networks, so my experience is pretty limited.
Some people on the web seem to have achieved it: http://ajitmonteiro.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/how-to-enable-c... http://www.blogsdna.com/2336/enable-multiple-user-accessconc...
Gee Windows is soooo hard! you have to type all that command line stuff to do what comes with Linux already! Windows will never make it the marketplace because of that! (OK, all kidding is not aside!)
@number6x: I think using the method in those two articles violates the MS EULA.
Doesn't running Windows violate the EULA? :P
No, _you_ violate the EULA, Windows itself probably doesn't because then it couldn't be sold I suggest.
Windows is mult-user capable within the limits of the licensing. Primarily through RDC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Services
Primarily it is for remote administration but it can be set up for multiple simultaneous users. I first used it as NT 4 Terminal Server Edition with a MRP/ERP application. It was later released as a part of the desktop OS but with a lot of monetary-based restrictions. I've used it with the Linux terminal server client for running Adobe Illustrator remotely from a customer's workstation.
This doesn't mean it's secure or stable. With Vista I found it convenient to reset the workstation by launching Access 12 (2007). This usually caused the workstation to reset within a few seconds.
Primarily it is for remote administration but it can be set up for multiple simultaneous users. I first used it as NT 4 Terminal Server Edition with a MRP/ERP application. It was later released as a part of the desktop OS but with a lot of monetary-based restrictions. I've used it with the Linux terminal server client for running Adobe Illustrator remotely from a customer's workstation.
This doesn't mean it's secure or stable. With Vista I found it convenient to reset the workstation by launching Access 12 (2007). This usually caused the workstation to reset within a few seconds.
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There are two standard answers to that. The more family friendly one is flea dip.