An alternate view of Tux500

I'm not even sure when the last time I visited /. was.... Sure it links to some interesting stories now and then, but the discussion here is much better (and typically more intelligent).

I'll tell you what, I'll post a story there and then if a bunch of you guys could mod it up for me....

I just slay myself.

> Blocking Lxer as a referrer maybe?

Almost certainly. Which tells you all you need to know.

> Blocking Lxer as a referrer maybe?

We can only hope so. Kind of like modifying the boot menu so you can't get into Windows. Guess he finally came to the realization that he doesn't post anything worth reading.

Gang, I am trying to keep a positive face on this, admittedly it is getting a bit more difficult. Like smiling thru a root canal. The fact is, as I understand it, Rob has already told more than one person that he didn't much care if Tux500 cured cancer, he was not covering it. That's fine. whatever level of success we achieve, we can claim we did it without slashdot, most of digg and without corporate help...at least until now.

What is sad, and I am not going to name names...companies that have been in the news lately have refused to answer our calls for assisstance. That's fine, say no...it's not the end of the world. But for perseis sake, have the courtesy to do that at least. I may not be happy with Dell and Xandros telling us no, but I respect them much more for doing so in the matter I contacted them. The private companies that made a big deal about switching to Linux...?

Contacted numerous times...no answer.

And while I am posing universal questions that we may never answer.

Why is there a "w" in answer?

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BTW, there is a double post with the latest tux500 article. The one posted first is the one with only Bob. The one that posted about 245 cdt has both our comments.

And I'd like to ask in the future that nobody here posts a link to my domain from this domain, I don't care how much you "agree". By the way, you mods might as well delete all my past submissions. After I got bitched out about my stories being here (what a mistake it was thinking this was a reputable site to submit to!), that's pretty much all that needs to be said. Thanks anyway, but don't worry, the little bump in traffic gets lost in between the stumble-upons.

I don't mean any offense by what I'm about to say. I can't be mad at you people for not being able to help what you are. But I am 37, I have crossed the United States three times and dealt with every walk of life from corporate suits in limousines to vatos locos en diaz y tres sur Los Angeles, and this, to use just the right words, is the *sh!@$%* group of people I've *ever* dealt with. Consider that very high praise, you at least excelled at something!

God (or somebody) bless you and farewell. The sooner we forget about each other, the happier we all will be.

[Edited for profanity - LXer does not permit the use of profane language - please refer to our ToS - dcparris]

> I don't mean any offense by what I'm about to say.

Then do us all a favor. Don't bother saying anything next time.

> But I am 37, I have crossed the United States three times and dealt with every walk of life...

Well, aren't you special.

Look who's a sore looser....

If you don;t want people linking to your site, don't bother having a site at all.

Actually I was thinking if he doesnt want us on or around his site ... he should probably not go after members of the LXer community. Honestly he cant make wild accusations and then expect those he accuses and other interested parties to be considerate enough to ignore him while he does his best to woo the gullible to his cause(s).

LOL, I reiterate my 'weenie' characterization. PP can dish it out, but he sure can't take it. Poor lil feller.

And, since I'm not in a charitable mood at the moment:

> By the way, you mods might as well delete all my past submissions.

Translation: Whoops, I screwed up and posted my libelous garbage to someone else's site. Please delete the evidence for me before someone notices.

> Poor lil feller.

Now, now TC. Suppositions about Pete's endowment are uncalled for. :)

jdixon, shame on you! I am so not laughing!

*snerk*

>> By the way, you mods might as well delete all my past submissions.

> Translation: Whoops, I screwed up and posted my libelous garbage to someone else's site. Please delete the evidence for me before someone notices.

All the more reason to leave it then :-)

Quoting:But I am 37, I have crossed the United States three times and dealt with every walk of life from corporate suits in limousines to vatos locos en diaz y tresb sur Los Angeles

Well I'm 56, and I've been to Australia and New Zealand, and dealt with people from impoverished Kooris and Murris (in Australia) to Maori Gang leaders (in new Zealand) to Federal Government officials, to Computers noobs, to Company directors in both Countries, so I guess I trump you.

Self obsessed idiot.

ooh new game new game !!! how many times does it take crossing the country to legitimize your opinion. oh, and how old do you have to be?

Lets see, I cross the country at least twice a year, usually more. 40'ish and deal with people ranging from the most inbred redneck (no intended offense if you are) to folks who design satellites for a living.

Someone want to give me a random opinion I can validate with those parameters?

I haven't traveled much at all, and I can still recognize a libelous weenie when I see one.

Good opinion TC, can I use it?

*chuckle*

my goodness, it really is like shooting fish in a barrel when the Oracle of PP starts blathering isnt it.

Sniff sniff. Quick, everybody check your feet.

Quoting:And I'd like to ask in the future that nobody here posts a link to my domain from this domain, I don't care how much you "agree".

Gee. Imagine how much fun that could be.

Site (penguinpetes) is http://www.penguinpetes.com/

Tux500-related blogposts list from the archives (ordered by date from the most recent to the oldest)

# Are the tux500 people really all THAT bad?

# tux500 crew caught rigging Digg - with screenshots!

# DC Parris of LXer to Linux community member: shut up!

# The Final Analysis of the Tux500 Scam

# WHY the tux500 promotion is a pump-and-dump scam

# the tux500 scam of the Linux community

# Tux500 scam - news and links history

# Is the Tux500 racecar advertizing project a scam?

How many people read pp's site? How many really care what he has to say? Despite all his foaming and ranting, the forum comments are pretty balanced overall, and there are not many of them. The more he rants the loonier he looks. I think we need to not give him attention. He's just a louder-than-usual and more-hysterical troll.

I think anyone that reads his site, then clicks the Rent-a-Coder button, needs a kind friend to lead them away and feed them a cup of hot tea. And then take away their checkbook and car keys. :)

I think your intentions are in the right place fluff, but TC is right. People who don't know the truth from a wrecking ball crank up the only quality they have left, volume.

Especially since, as noted elsewhere, the above link will not work if clicked on. Pete is blocking access from LXer.

Just click the link, wait for the 403, click somewhere in your address bar and hit enter. Your browser will see a clean reload and not send a referrer, thus PP's site won't block anymore.

Another option is to simply use tinyurl's from now on for PP's posts.

> Another option is to simply use tinyurl's from now on for PP's posts.

Yes, but why bother. If Pete doesn't consider LXer readers worth allowing on his site, who am I to disagree.

LXer is a news site. We report the news. We shouldn't ignore stories or sites because we don't like them *COUGH*slashdot*COUGH*

> LXer is a news site.

I agree that, to the extent it's news, LXer should cover what happens on Pete's site. I don't think there's any need to bother providing links. A simple explanation that links from LXer to Pete's site don't work because he's blocking them should be sufficient.

And my comment wasn't intended as a criticism of providing said links. That's an LXer editorial decision. I was asking why anybody should bother trying to bypass Pete's LXer ban. If he doesn't want me there, then his site just isn't worth the trouble.

PenguinPete's Full Archive page is http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/full_archives.php To avoid the 403-block on LXer, it probably would be best to enter this and the top URL into separate browser tabs or browser windows. The Full Archive page has such currently-relevant topics as 'Asstroturfers coup Slashdot and Digg simultaneously' ;)

Why provide these URL's for Pete's sake ( pun intended :D ) ???

Above statements notwithstanding, there might pssibly be at least one person other than the submitter of the 'An alternate view of Tux500' post -- even on LXer and other than the above anti-PenguinPete commentators of course -- who would actually like to see alternate views of Tux500?

Just a thought.....

There might also be persons interested in Microsoft's Get the Facts campaign, but there are other outlets to cover that.

> ...there might pssibly be at least one person...

There very well might be. However, if they read it here, Pete doesn't want them. Again, who are we to argue with him?

Added: Also, in Pete's own words: And I'd like to ask in the future that nobody here posts a link to my domain from this domain, I don't care how much you "agree".

I'd think that makes his position clear. He doesn't want LXer readers and/or editors posting links to his site. I don't see any point in not honoring his request.

Well, Pitrs last post was more sensible than the last few dozens. At this moment, he doesn't assume we are THAT bad anymore, he just think we're stupid and arrogant, that's all.

Implicit, in his last blog he says he made a mistake by assuming tux500 is as scam and 'devnet' and 'helios' are two criminals. He even assumes 'devnet' and 'helios' are two _different_ persons now.

Nonetheless, he still censors comments which are critical about himself (I have a screenshot of a deleted comment). On the other hand, he started writing about Linux (non-tux500) issues again, which is a good thing.

I'd say if he doesn't want us to link to him, fine. Just make sure there's a transaction log somewhere officially documenting that post so that if it "somehow" gets deleted/edited later, he can't suddenly post on his site about how those evil lxer editors are suddenly censoring him by not posting his articles.

Of course, maybe I'm just a bit paranoid....

> ...he just think we're stupid and arrogant, that's all.

Well, in my case, I'd be hard pressed to argue that point, except in relative terms. Compared to Pete (at least as evidenced by his recent actions) I'm the soul of intelligence and humility, of course. But I've been known to be both thoroughly arrogant and stupid on more than one occasion.

> Of course, maybe I'm just a bit paranoid....

Possibly, but then again, why take the chance.

And this Pete chap just does manage to keep getting under your skins time after time.

Quoting:this Pete chap

I'll raise the collective eyebrow.

>I agree that, to the extent it's news, LXer should cover what happens on Pete's site.

-->to the extent it's news

That is the problem. PP has now established his true character and that character has nothing to do with news. He is an unreliable source for anything, reckless in fact and feckless in opinion.

Any source requires some kind of credibility, even if that credibility is nothing more than the author's sincerity. PP has gone beyond all bounds.

We sent PP an e-mail to the effect that we will honor his request to no longer post stories from his site on our newswire. That's where it stands.