Why I Won't Use KMail or Kontact

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Hmm, seems to work on my compy. I used Konqueror and FF and it loads.

Let me know if it continues..

I too was able to access the page (US). Could be that the world down under is blocked Tracyanne!

I can't access the computer bob website, at all, not even the default or index page.

Is anyone else having connection issues with this article? If so please let us know.

notme, from oregon USA.

If you've been blocked, please try again now. I just made a few changes to .htaccess that should allow you access. Thank you.

I cannot even read this page.

ColonelPanik, I don't think ComputerBob can do much about your lack of literacy.

I slay me.

Maybe I can find a literacy course on line?

tuxchick, you slay me, too. ;)

ComputerBob, I can access the page now, thanks.

Excellent! Thanks for letting me know, BOTH that you couldn't access it earlier, and that you can access it now. ;)

Anyone else notice that in trying to bring it back to topic, and then defending his misinterpretation of the actual conversation good ol bob here has completely derailed the thread? *snort* rails indeed.

A good example of how a single misplaced post can spin out in new and interesting ways.

> But at least now you've made it very clear that this is your house, and I am a rude intruder.

No, it's LXer's house. I'm merely a tolerated guest, the same as you.

> ...was seen as a threat and an insult to a clique to which you enjoy being a member.

The idea of my being a member of a clique is almost hilariously funny.

> LXer always gave me the impression of being very open and welcoming to new visitors and contributors.

No one's asked you to leave have they? Your viewpoints and comments are perfectly welcome.

It would be unwise to attribute my viewpoints to everyone else on the fora, or to give them a weight which they do not deserve. I'm a moderate but not frequent poster with an occasional useful insight and a too ofen acerbic attitude/tone, of which you were an unfortunate victim. I have no more authority here than you, and it's unusual for more than a handful of folks to agree with me on any given subject.

Just as I said about our posts, if Sander and company have a problem with your posts they'll let you know. The rest of us can be safely ignored if you want, especially me.

Which doesn't mean that I think I'm wrong, of course, merely that my opinion carries no more weight than anyone else's.

Oh blast, I missed a flamewar. Grumble grumble.

You are invited to discuss anything not related to the article, but related to LXer (policies) and other LXer members in the LXer forum:

http://lxer.com/module/forums/f/lxer/

I started a new topic where you guys can go on with the off-topic discussion:

http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/26712/

Just start a new thread over there if you like.

This is not the right place for this discussion, since it is ought to be about the title of the thread, which in this case is called 'no HTML replies: Why I Won't use KMail or Kontact'. Off-topic discussions are allowed to a certain degree, and the general rule of thumb is really simple: Scott - LXer's EiC - decides.

Thanks in advance.

I agree with Hans, take it to member e-mail where no one will care what is said.

> ...and the general rule of thumb is really simple: Scott - LXer's EiC - decides.

Like I said. :)

> ... take it to member e-mail where no one will care what is said.

Will do Scott. Though I expect the subject has worked itself out. Sorry to cause trouble.

There was no trouble caused by you jdixon, it just seems that the conversation got a little personal between a few people. If I interpreted incorrectly, I am sorry.

Oh sure, people are sorry.

What does that do for my badly bruised feelings?

I'll need therapy for years.

Not that I'll get it -- way too sick for that.

I use Linux, how about you?

> I'll need therapy for years.

Hmm, you need to work on your tenses Dino. That should be "I've needed therapy for years." :)

> ...it just seems that the conversation got a little personal between a few people.

I think only one person took it that way Scott, but I was the party whose response triggered the exchange. :(

While it may not look that way to them, I never intended it as a personal attack.

You make a valid point, please don't think you are in trouble, its a matter of nipping things in the bud before things get out of hand.

I know it looks like we are a little jumpy in moderating forums recently, but it is for the good of the website that we do it.

Scott, no nipping on Buds. You run a tight ship here but we can't have you being tight. Maybe every morning you could post an "anything" thread. Then we can see how it unravels. dino looks a bit frayed already.

---a frayed knot...

or afraid not.

You two are hilarious!

Looks aren't everything.

> ...please don't think you are in trouble...

Scott, if I worried about being in trouble, I'd never get anything done. :) I figure you all will tell if me if I step out of line (possibly even politely :)). That's just type of place LXer is. And hopefully I don't need to add that it is much appreciated on my part.

>possibly even politely

Fat chance.

Quoting: Quoted:

This is an HTML message. For security reasons, only the raw HTML code is shown. If you trust the sender of this message then you can activate formatted HTML display for this message by clicking here.

Easy as pie. Then if it links to external images or possible nasties, you get another message:

tuxchick - I have been reading this thread with great interest. I switched to Ubuntu from XP about six months ago, and with the addition of Virtualbox to run AutoCAD I love it. Computing is fun again. I switched from Evolution to Kmail a few months ago and love it and agree with most of the positive comments here.

With regard to your quoted comments above. I care not one iota about sending HTML mail and think that the security question above is a good idea, but it would be nice if Kmail would expand this so that we are not HAVING to click that trust link over and over again for the same users that we trust. Maybe a follow up dialog with an always trust question or something like that.

Bob,



I can see why you are frustrated. I just don't see how you can blame the software when the errors are most likely user errors. I support hundreds of computers and I sometimes make mistakes. I'm pretty good at what I do, but there are times where I make a silly error and it takes me hours to figure it out. Most errors are simple typo's. Do you think that maybe you had a typo? I've even made the mistake of setting my domain name from .biz to .net, and not noticing. Usually I screw up when I'm tired. Were you tired when tackling Kmail?

I use both Thunderbird and Kontact for my email. Two separate machines, same email account. Kmail does send in HTML, although I prefer plain text myself.

HTML Sending:

File --> New --> New Message, click on settings --> toolbars --> place a check next to HTML toolbar.

A retraction would be nice : )... and no I'm not a KDE dev.

Cheers,

Alex C.

> Kmail does send in HTML

He didn't say it didn't. He said it did not correctly handle REPLYING to HTML mail.

Alex, ComputerBob didn't say KMail won't send in HTML. He said in his article that you can send new messages in HTML. He said it won't send HTML replies to HTML messages. This issue was also addressed in the bug report and forum discussion that he linked to. And he is right. Try it- take any HTML message, even one you sent to yourself, and hit reply. No matter what you do, it won't format in HTML. Even worse, if the message is not displayed in HTML when you hit reply, the reply will not render the HTML but display the tags as plain text.

Alex,

You wrote, "I support hundreds of computers and I sometimes make mistakes."

A perfect example: your response to my article.

I won't go into all the details of why your response is nonsensical, almost to the point of being a non sequitur, because I already explained all of that, in great detail, in my article.

You really should read it some day.

Funny, I'm tired and I mis-read the part where you said "it can send in html", I read it as can't - like I said I'm tired, again... A bad ram module in a 32Gb server kicked my a** for more days than I want to admit. ECC error after 8~12hours...never want to go through that again. I did know about the replying to html mails.... A bug that never concerned me, as I use plain text.

I apologize for being a typical ill informed 'net jerk.

Cheers,

Alex C.

I understand. Thanks for apologizing. No hard feelings. ;)

I did a similar review fo EMail clients and selected found a reason as compelling to switch to KMail as was Bob's reason to steer clear.

In my case the reason was KMails superb features for Email filtering. KMail alone (well, with the exception of Eudora) allowed for both manual and automated filtering, based on an extremely intelligent rule set.

I've been a little frustrated with KMail's problem replying to HTML-formatted email, but my survey showed that every email client has its pain-inducing deficiencies.