Glass Houses
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| tuxtom Feb 22, 2008 12:40 PM EDT |
I've been using Opera now for almost a decade as my primary browser. I gotta tell you, their CTO needs to be looking at his own product. I can only get about 50% of AJAX apps to work in Opera, and multimedia is sketchy at best. I really don't want to give it up, but I am being forced to use Firefox to get even the most fundamental tasks done in (cringe) Web 2.0. I realize that there are many factors for this outside of Opera's control. However, to criticize another browser when your own isn't working properly in the REAL WORLD is absolute hypocrisy, no matter how much they claim to adhere to 'standards'. Standards, as implemented by Opera, are increasingly doing me little good in my everyday tasks. I hate to say it, but through my testing IE is much more consistent for modern browsing. SugarCRM is one example. OpenRico is another, along with many other airlines, shopping carts, etc. Firefox has become the de facto standard in browsers. While I vastly prefer Opera's interface, Firefox is the only consistent browser I have used on any operating system in regard to DOM and Multimedia. close_whine(); |
| Sander_Marechal Feb 22, 2008 3:21 PM EDT |
Wasn't there something like Operafox that gave Firefox an Opera-esque UI? |
| tuxtom Feb 22, 2008 5:22 PM EDT |
Hmmm. I'd like to look into that. The primary thing for me is the keyboard shortcuts, which are very efficient. Firefox's keyboard shortcuts emulate Internet Explorer's to a 'T'. That's what tuxtom wants...FOSS tools that implement Microsoft's conventions. Whoo Hoo! Yee Haaa! Not. For example, I am right handed. The mouse is in my right hand, and my left hand is free. In Opera, the Z and X keys are page back and page forward respectively. Saves a lot of mouse work always going up to the top, left back button. It really does. On the keyboard in Firefox/IE you have to go all the way to the upper right hand side of the keyboard and use the backspace key, a very poor UI design. That in and of itself is enough to piss a brotha off. |
| tracyanne Feb 22, 2008 6:23 PM EDT |
Quoting:Saves a lot of mouse work always going up to the top, left back button. You could always try mouse gestures. |
| tuxtom Feb 22, 2008 11:47 PM EDT |
Quoting:You could always try mouse gestures. Well, I do get the popup advertising this feature to me inadvertently, but I am not really interested. My needs are simple. A better solution for me would be keyboard mapping. I'm sure this is possible somehow, but it is arcane. I suppose it is very much like your familiarity and corresponding productivity with Visual Studio. Like I said, I've been using Opera for the better part of a decade. It's difficult to switch to something else without having the perception of an inferior experience. |
| tracyanne Feb 23, 2008 4:20 AM EDT |
I assume you are saying you get pop up advertising. Install the Addon called AdBlocker Plus and the Adon called Adblock Filterset.G Updater. I nstall and get used to using the Addon called NoScript. You will not get annoyed by advertisements, and you won't get pop up ads, and you can stop scripts from running on all sites except those that you choose. Of course switching to Firefox is merely a perception of an inferior experience. |
| tracyanne Feb 23, 2008 4:24 AM EDT |
you could also try the addon "functions for keyconfig" |
| gus3 Feb 23, 2008 9:18 AM EDT |
There's also the browser-neutral Privoxy. |
| tuxtom Feb 23, 2008 4:00 PM EDT |
Quoting:I assume you are saying you get pop up advertising. Tracyanne, I know you don't know me that well, but you should know me better than that (But on that note, Opera was light years ahead of any competition when it comes to blocking ECMA script popup advertising). No, I was referring to to the popups that desktop application developers somehow think it's good to put in your applications...desktop developers call them "dialog boxes", I call them "popups", and find them just as evil or more so than uncontrollable porn windows bugging out all over the desktop. Opera starts asking if you want to use mouse gestures when I make a funky accidental click with the scroll wheel or something. If I wanted it I would find it and enable it myself. It's like those annoying 'Are you sure you want to do this?" popups...er, dialog boxes. If I wasn't sure I wouldn't have attempted it....quit trying to save me from myself, already. I'm sick of my government doing it and I'm sick of my software doing it. Whew, I feel better already. |
| hkwint Feb 24, 2008 1:53 PM EDT |
Quoting:decade as my primary browser. I gotta tell you, their CTO needs to be looking at his own product. I can only get about 50% of AJAX apps to work in Opera, and multimedia is sketchy at best. I really don't want to give it up, but I am being forced to use Firefox Thanks TT, I was thinking about switching back from FF to Opera, but now I know I'm not going to. About the keymaps: Try here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Keyconfig_extension Looks obscure, but may work though. Quoting:If I wanted it I would find it and enable it myself As someone who waited to switch to Firefox until Firefox had mouse gestures, I'd like to say I discovered them after the pop-up made me curious, and today I (almost) can't live without them. Sadly the Opera mouse gesture system works far better than my current mouse-gesture extension in FF. OK, after I discovered Ctrl-W I have less use for mouse gestures, but still it's a good enhancement in my opinion. If they worked better in FF and were in IE too I'd use them far more probably. However, now it's frustrating trying to use them in FF where they 'zoom in' when I want to close a window, and when accidentally making mouse gestures in IE being reminded to the fact that I'm using IE in first place. |
| tuxtom Feb 24, 2008 2:31 PM EDT |
Yeah, I will likely dig into Firefox and re-train myself...or try to tweak it to work the way I'm used to. FF has SO much going for it with EXCELLENT plugins...not just for browsing but for developing and automating. What a tool...definitely a Killer App. Opera has a lot going for it, too. It certainly sets the standard for mobile browsers. They're in pretty tight with Trolltech. Plenty-O-Innovation coming out of Olso. |
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