The devolution of a Linux user
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| Author | Content |
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| ColonelPanik Nov 26, 2008 1:06 AM EDT |
Its a different thing for each person. No set rules can apply. |
| gus3 Nov 26, 2008 1:42 AM EDT |
Food for thought: Evolution occurs only between generations. Individuals do not evolve; they age. |
| number6x Nov 26, 2008 3:53 PM EDT |
gus3, Individuals can learn and alter behavior. At least some can. (I'm still trying) |
| herzeleid Nov 26, 2008 4:11 PM EDT |
Individuals can evolve - Case in point: Vic Ferrari/Latka said something along the lines of "Hey, I thought I had a right to evolve, but I'm sensing a lot of hostility here!" |
| hkwint Nov 26, 2008 5:20 PM EDT |
And if a Linux-user can't evolve, at least they can emerge. |
| gus3 Nov 26, 2008 5:33 PM EDT |
And they're so tender when they do. Yum! |
| tracyanne Nov 26, 2008 6:06 PM EDT |
Evolution means change, so in fact Linux users can evolve, at least I think Linux users can change. |
| ColonelPanik Nov 26, 2008 7:37 PM EDT |
Change user, of course we can. |
| tracyanne Nov 26, 2008 7:59 PM EDT |
isn't that switch user? |
| Bob_Robertson Nov 26, 2008 9:30 PM EDT |
To get serious, humans have not evolved much, if at all, since the neolithic. The evolution of _ideas_ has surpassed any possible speed of physical evolution. We have no claws, no fur, no big teeth, yet we are masters of this world because we have the most effective weapons of all: Learning, imagination, forward planning. Debian users don't evolve, we dist-upgrade. |
| jezuch Nov 27, 2008 2:27 AM EDT |
Quoting:we dist-upgrade With aptitude! ;) |
| herzeleid Nov 27, 2008 3:57 AM EDT |
aptly put! |
| jacog Nov 27, 2008 4:16 AM EDT |
very punny, guys |
| Bob_Robertson Nov 27, 2008 11:58 AM EDT |
I cannot get aptitude or any of the other "higher" level tools to work for me as well as dselect does. I'm told over and over to use something "better" than dselect, but if it doesn't work is it really "better"? I also note that the Sound Blaster CD-ROM connected through the sound card that I had in my first Linux PC in 1995 is still supported. Linux! Where dinosaurs yet live! |
| hkwint Nov 27, 2008 2:46 PM EDT |
But how can you select packages with deselect? |
| herzeleid Nov 27, 2008 4:42 PM EDT |
FWIW I don't get the purpose of aptitude. apt-get works for me. |
| Bob_Robertson Nov 27, 2008 5:23 PM EDT |
dselect is just a curses-based package management tool. Search, select, delete, etc. Just like all the rest. I cannot tell you it works better for me than anything else. |
| Sander_Marechal Nov 27, 2008 5:55 PM EDT |
Quoting:I don't get the purpose of aptitude. Simple. Automatic *removal* of dependencies you no longer need. That makes it oh so much easier to keep your system clean. Especially if you install lots of software just to try it out and remove it afterwards. I never use aptitude in curses though. Only as a CLI command, just like you use apt-get. Note that automated dependency removal only works if you install the software with aptitude to begin with. So it's not much use to me on a system that was maintained with apt-get. |
| herzeleid Nov 27, 2008 7:29 PM EDT |
@sander - thanks for the explanation. I still have much to learn about the debian packaging world. |
| Bob_Robertson Nov 27, 2008 9:03 PM EDT |
apt-get autoremove Works for me. |
| jezuch Nov 28, 2008 2:57 AM EDT |
Quoting:apt-get autoremove Exactly. This is not a unique future of aptitude anymore :) For me it's better dependency resolution and, most of all, much better dependency conflict resolution, including an interactive mode where I can browse the possible solutions and/or skip it and make my own. I too use aptitude mostly from the command line but the interactive mode is very useful for many, many things. |
| Sander_Marechal Nov 28, 2008 3:41 AM EDT |
I tried interactive mode a few times but it utterly confuses me, especially when there's a conflict that needs to be resolves. The CLI offers you a very simple "Yes/No/Shut-up-and-do-as-I-tell-you" but the interactive interface starts spitting all kinds of things at me. I've never been able to properly resolve a conflict in interactive mode. That said, I don't really use interactive mode and know perhaps 5% of what it is capable of. I simply haven't found a reason to climb that learning curve yet. |
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