I'm Liking Trinity....
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| helios Oct 13, 2012 8:32 AM EST |
While I like and use SolusOS Desktop at home, I use SolusOS with the KDE 4 and the latest Trinity release at work. Because I move a ton of files from one place to another, I find dolphin and konqueror much faster via the context menu than Nautilus. I installed the .13 version yesterday and spent most of the day using it. It's like visiting an old and cherished friend after many years. I was surprised at how much I remembered about how to navigate and customize the DE. I was also delighted by the low resource usage as well. I may have been a potty-mouthed foot-stomping, breath-holding spoiled brat over the KDE 4 mess, but they've done great work to bring it back around to a usable and stable environment. I can now say the same for Trinity. I just hope that it stays around for a good, long time. I know how unstable one man shows can be...life happens and if life happens to get in the way of your passion, well...let's just hope that others can pick up where the originator left off. I'm lovin' me some Trinity right now. |
| Ridcully Oct 13, 2012 4:22 PM EST |
Good one Helios, but what is really upsetting me, and I just checked with the home site at: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ is that there is STILL no package for openSUSE......I have asked Tim Pearson in the past about this and there was at one stage somebody working on that version, but from all I can see, nothing now. It's a big gap but one hopes that sooner or later the openSUSE team itself might consider pulling Trinity on board as an option. Hope so. |
| slacker_mike Oct 13, 2012 7:11 PM EST |
@Ridcully I thought openSUSE had packages for KDE3? Have you tried these packages?
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3 I know it isn't Trinity but since Trinity is supposed to be KDE3 seems like it would fit the bill. |
| Ridcully Oct 13, 2012 9:43 PM EST |
Hi Slacker_mike........yes, I think there are original KDE3 packages on one of the openSUSE sites, but, and this is a very big "BUT", I also am under the impression that they are sorta, kinda "archival". The big difference between Trinity and KDE3.5 as it was, is that Trinity is under constant development and is a complete fork from KDE - Trinity is no longer KDE3.5 as we both knew it although like KDE4 in desktop view, it will on the surface resemble KDE3.5 in many ways. The updated Trinity is vastly improved in its software base and I understand the reasons for the jump from KDE3.5 to KDE4.0 have now been engineered into Trinity without the enormous leap that KDE4.0 was. I pass no judgements on that matter. Now I stress that KDE4 in the sequence from about 4.4 onwards is terrific and I can modify it to behave in exactly the way I want. So, given these latest versions of KDE4, there is absolutely NO way I would now contemplate a return to KDE3.5, however the Trinity fork is now looking (from all reports I have) very, very, very nice and well worth a serious consideration for a work DE........hence my irritation (like an itch in the centre of the back) at not having a version that can be placed onto openSUSE because that is my preferred OS. |
| tracyanne Oct 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST |
I'll have to get the Ubuntu PPA and try it on my netbook |
| Ridcully Oct 13, 2012 11:55 PM EST |
Great tracyanne.....I'll be watching with enormous interest. I'll have to pull my Lenovo test laptop out of hibernation and throw one of the Trinity versions onto it.....even if I can't "scratch the itch", I can at least have a look at it, and your comments would be very highly valued. |
| Fettoosh Oct 14, 2012 8:15 AM EST |
I left KDE 3.5.x long time ago and never looked back. Personally, after using KDE 4.x and enjoying the extra features, capabilities and much flexibility brought in, in addition to what KDE 3.5 had, I can't find any good reason to go back except for pretty old low resource hardware. But, I understand that nostalgia could be a powerful factor sometimes. :-) |
| jdixon Oct 14, 2012 8:48 AM EST |
> I can't find any good reason to go back except for pretty old low resource hardware. You say that as if it's an inconsequential reason. For some people, it isn't. |
| Fettoosh Oct 14, 2012 9:32 AM EST |
Quoting:You say that as if it's an inconsequential reason ... In my opinion it is. For the last five to seven years, all systems sold have more than enough hardware resources to run current versions of KDE 4.x. The differential in power cost used by older computers versus new machines is enough to pay for a new replacement. Why would anyone want to keep an old clunker? Only very small percentage of users keep older machines (including myself for testing purposes) for more than 3-5 years and no one is forcing them to use latest KDE. |
| jdixon Oct 14, 2012 12:10 PM EST |
> In my opinion it is. For you, I have no doubt it is. You're not everyone. > Why would anyone want to keep an old clunker? Because they don't have the money to get a new one, and the old one still works. > Only very small percentage of users keep older machines Maybe where you live. I know lots of people with machines over 5 years old. |
| Ridcully Oct 14, 2012 4:53 PM EST |
Fettoosh and Jdixon, there is yet another reason.......sheer curiousity. Fettoosh, you may be missing another point too: Trinity is NOT KDE3.5 in the same way that KDE4 is not KDE3.5. I have not yet had a play with Trinity, but my impressions are that it is fast and offers the user the KDE4 desktop view. It also seems to have less "resources hunger". My impressions continue to be that Trinity is the "Xfce of the KDE world" in terms of both speed and resources, but also is able to do anything that KDE4 can do and has all the software upgraded. To move to Trinity would not be a backward step in any way that I can see.......in terms of the current crop of modern DEs, I'd say it was simply another good alternative: a mostly sideways step, perhaps with just a little to the front. And I agree Jdixon: my HP laptop is a dual core 2.2Gig laptop with 3Gig of RAM and is certainly at least 5 years old.......It still does everything I want to do and is superb.......why upgrade ? It runs KDE4 very nicely, but it's always fun to experiment. |
| slacker_mike Oct 14, 2012 5:01 PM EST |
Ridcully From what I understood TDE is very much KDE3 just with additional bugfixes and steps to make it more compatible with KDE4 apps. In someways I think your decription of an Xfce of the KDE world applies to razor-qt more as like KDE4 it is in QT4. |
| Ridcully Oct 14, 2012 5:08 PM EST |
@Slacker_mike........I'm awfully deaf :-) so I am missing something in your second sentence. Could you say it again with a bit more explanation and slowly and clearly please, as I'd like to understand what you are putting forward.....eg, what is "razor-qt" ? |
| slacker_mike Oct 14, 2012 5:31 PM EST |
No problem, razor-qt is a light desktop built using the QT-4 toolkit, same as KDE4.
http://razor-qt.org/ Razor-qt has the potential to become an LXDE like desktop using QT. Since KDE3 and TDE use the older QT3 toolkit to me TDE is more like KDE3 than it is like KDE4 from my perspective. |
| Ridcully Oct 14, 2012 6:40 PM EST |
Thankyou.......I had a look at the Trinity site a little more closely, particularly here: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php Right at the bottom is this statement: TQt interface (lays groundwork for selective Qt4 compatibility). I don't pretend to understand all these Qt ramifications as the razor-qt question implied, but it looks as if Trinity is working steadily towards partial or full Qt4 compatibility. Watch this space I guess. I must admit though, that from the link above, the specifications of the Trinity DE are becoming quite impressive......I'd suspect that it is certainly a large step above Xfce in terms of ease of use and interface control. |
| helios Oct 16, 2012 11:49 PM EST |
Why would anyone want to keep an old clunker?.... Well, as inconsequential as it may be to some people, we have over 1500 kids in the Reglue ranks using "old clunkers" and they are absolutely thrilled to have them. Mostly higher ranged P4's and hyperthreads from 2005 +, they would be considered by some to be museum pieces, but to our kids, they are a shining doorway into a world they would never be able to open without them. The majority of them run on between 1 and 2 gigs of RAM and while KDE 4 struggles a bit on these machines, we've found that Trinity runs nicely on them. Not to mention that Trinity can be made to look much, much nicer than Gnome, without the overhead. If you have the luxury of being able to run any DE you choose, then I guess it doesn't suck to be you. Many of us are blessed to have mission control-powered computers at our fingertips. Others are not so lucky and some would resent their pride and joy referred to as "clunkers". Another plus to this is that these machines remain in service and out of the landfills and e-cycle plants for an additional 3-5 years. |
| BernardSwiss Oct 17, 2012 12:38 AM EST |
> Why would anyone want to keep an old clunker?.... I volunteer from time to time at the local FreeGeek -- where the core activity is dismantling those "old clunkers", and using the "good" parts to build "new" computers (running Linux, of course) that people can "earn" with the equivalent of 3 work-days (24 hours) of participation in this activity. Most of these participants can't afford a computer any other way. There is also a thrift store in which (among spare parts, many no longer available as new) prettier/faster machines are sold to that part of the general public interested in a cheap computer with some recourse if the hardware fails, and are either willing to try Linux, or are prepared "convert" them to cheap Windows boxes, once they get them away from us Free Software freaks. For many people, a reliable 3-5 year old "clunker" is far better than they hoped to ever have. |
| jezuch Oct 17, 2012 12:40 AM EST |
Quoting:Why would anyone want to keep an old clunker? What Helios said, plus: because it's fast enough? The only reason for me to upgrade is if the new thing was much, much more power-efficient, to the point of total silence. I don't need faster. |
| Ridcully Oct 17, 2012 4:57 AM EST |
Well said Helios. I really have GOT to have a serious look at Trinity. What would really trigger Trinity takeup would be a major distro selecting it as an option. One has the feeling that it could be a winner. |
| dinotrac Oct 17, 2012 5:22 AM EST |
Yup, y'all. Personally, I hang on to my HP netbook because it's small and easy to carry and I've got other things to spend my money on than computers. The better question for @fettoosh is, "Bud -- Why don't you go see if there are more entertaining ways to spend your money than just a newer and slightly more shiny screen putter-upper?" |
| Bob_Robertson Oct 17, 2012 6:36 AM EST |
As a daily Trinity user, I can say for me it's not for older hardware (quad-core Phenom2 3GHz 4GB RAM) nor nostalgia. KDE3/Trinity works the way I like. The "extra features" of KDE4 are not features I like. The functional changes are not changes that improve things for me, they are changes which decrease the ability for KDE4 to work _for_me_. It is _less_ functional. Helios had a fit, as did I, and for valid reasons of personal preference. I don't understand why people are still arguing about this. Nothing satisfys everyone. |
| helios Oct 17, 2012 7:20 AM EST |
Tony, have a look here: Download speed averages 900KB/sec http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/index_enterprise.ht... |
| PunisherHD Oct 17, 2012 1:35 PM EST |
Hello, a good news for Trinity users, or curious people willing to try it : The new 3.5.13.1 version will be available in a few days for the following new distributions : - Mageia 2 - Mandriva 2011 - openSUSE 12.2 The Trinity mirrors are currently being synchronized, so it will take some more days before the packages are actually downloadable. The web site will be updated when the download is ready (I would say in about one week). |
| Fettoosh Oct 17, 2012 3:12 PM EST |
I am out of town having fun with limited Internet access (N.E. US). I will respond to some of the comments when I get back next week. |
| tracyanne Oct 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST |
I'm traveling again, near your neck of the woods Tony, unfortunately with all the smoke in the atmosphere because of the fires in Bunderburg my Wireless broadband is a bit dicky. |
| Ridcully Oct 17, 2012 3:49 PM EST |
Many thanks Helios.......From what I can see, the Intel x86 package has to be Kubuntu with Trinity already on top as the DE and not just a Trinity package to be installed separately ...And assuming that is the case, I have a very pleasant time in front of me this weekend. I'll come back to this thread and drop in some comments on my "first time" experiences. I also mention I am on the Trinity mailing lists and this thread is already being cited on those lists as supportive. PunisherHD, I hope you are correct with the info on openSUSE 12.2. I have been bashing KDE4.8 into shape on 12.2 and so far with reasonable success. The only sticking bit is KMail which is now engineered to the "excessively complex stage" with respect to accounts, layouts, passwords, etc. - or at least that is my opinion. It works, but bashing KMail into shape is an exercise all on its own. As I have already said elsewhere, I am going to stick with openSUSE 11.4 when support ends this year by using the Evergreen project which will keep openSUSE 11.4 alive for another 2 years, and in which KMail still remains more or less conventional in its structure. By then I strongly suspect Trinity will begin to appear in distro options - I certainly hope so. |
| Ridcully Oct 17, 2012 4:59 PM EST |
Hi Tracyanne.....messages via LXer homepage and email. |
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