Geekfight! Systemd banned!

Story: Linus Torvalds vs. systemd developersTotal Replies: 17
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tuxchick

Apr 04, 2014
1:20 PM EST
This is better than reality TV:

"Key, I'm f*cking tired of the fact that you don't fix problems in the code *you* write, so that the kernel then has to work around the problems you cause.

Greg - just for your information, I will *not* be merging any code from Kay into the kernel until this constant pattern is fixed."
Koriel

Apr 04, 2014
1:27 PM EST
Love it, better than Eastenders.
kikinovak

Apr 04, 2014
1:35 PM EST
http://twitter.com/lusis/status/450701265782456320

:o)
Heather

Apr 04, 2014
1:36 PM EST
+1 Linus

You rock!!
750

Apr 04, 2014
1:55 PM EST
http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-...

Seems the behavior is systemic across all RH maintained projects...
CFWhitman

Apr 04, 2014
3:06 PM EST
Well, this has certainly been the attitude from systemd developers from all that I have seen about it. They constantly dismiss criticism rather than answering it. They do this by claiming that the criticism is emotionally motivated without ever addressing any of the points of criticism. This has always been the attitude of Poettering about all his projects. His attitude is somewhat reminiscent of Joerg Schilling. We see that cdrtools has been forked or worked around to avoid the problems such an attitude brings with it. In the end it's quite possible that systemd won't end up the defacto standard init system, at least not in its current state, with the attitude of the developers.
tuxchick

Apr 04, 2014
3:33 PM EST
Quoting: http://twitter.com/lusis/status/450701265782456320


Yes :)
kikinovak

Apr 04, 2014
4:42 PM EST
Slackware's April 1st ChangeLog :o)

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/attachment.php?attac...
tuxchick

Apr 04, 2014
6:48 PM EST
kikinovak, that page wants a login. I did a quick web search to see if it was on a different site, but didn't find it.
patrokov

Apr 04, 2014
7:15 PM EST
The only thing I know about systemd is that it destroyed my Arch rolling system, and I've never used Arch again.
kikinovak

Apr 04, 2014
11:02 PM EST
@tuxchick: Here's a copy of the screenshot on my server:

http://www.microlinux.fr/download/changelog.jpg
750

Apr 05, 2014
1:42 PM EST
The more i read into thing the more i suspect that Systemd and the rest of the changes that are coming out of RH are focused on one thing and one thing only, the quick spin up of VM instances in a environment like the Amazon cloud service.

Sadly RH packs an inordinate amount of weight in the glue area between user facing and kernel.
DrGeoffrey

Apr 05, 2014
2:52 PM EST
Speaking strictly as a user, I can honestly say this dust-up has finally made it clear to me the problems inherent in moving to Systemd. Hopefully, Debian will take their sweet time in switching, or forgo the switch entirely.

And as for putting another distribution on my laptop that relies on Systemd, well, it can wait.
hitest

Apr 05, 2014
7:22 PM EST
Linus is awesome:)
BernardSwiss

Apr 05, 2014
9:26 PM EST
> Speaking strictly as a user, I can honestly say this dust-up has finally made it clear to me the problems inherent in moving to Systemd. Hopefully, Debian will take their sweet time in switching, or forgo the switch entirely.

Speaking has someone who has various objections to systemd (or at least, to anointing systemd as the default init system for Linux, as there apparently are/would be some very good use-cases for it, too), it's not clear to me that this fracas points out the basic problems with sysdemd.

Rather, this incident "merely" points out the regressive attitudes of the systemd developers (though of course, the two phenomena arguably are strongly connected).

But such developments are hardly unique to the systemd devs. It seems to be a malaise common to many FOSS projects these days, as exemplified (for example) by KDE and Gnome, Canonical (Unity, Mir, Amazon lens, etc), and some others. People seem to be confusing "I can do this, and it would be so cool -- maybe even useful" with "this is a great idea, and a good direction for the design philosophy to follow."
tuxchick

Apr 05, 2014
10:57 PM EST
We get to watch the sausage-making. It will all sort out, as it always does.
kikinovak

Apr 06, 2014
2:30 AM EST
@tuxchick : my brother once went to visit a sausage factory in Austria, back in the 80s. He's never once eaten sausage since that day. :o)
notbob

Apr 06, 2014
8:07 AM EST
Making yer own sausage is even easier than learning Linux. Last time we (friends/family) did it, we put up 600lbs in a day.

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