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FOSS Community, Microsoft And Reconciliation

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LXer Feature: 11-Sep-2006

Neil McAllister calls on the FOSS community to drop the fortress mentality and work to build bridges with Microsoft. That's kind of like saying an abused wife should hug her husband just because he brings her flowers. Maybe Microsoft really is changing, but LXer's Don Parris suggests watching to see what they are holding in the other hand.

Abusive Relationships

Let's start off by acknowledging that I have never been an abused wife. As a man, it would not only be impossible, it would be downright embarrassing if it were. Secondly, as a husband, I can say I have never abused my wife. However, I am all too familiar with abuse and with the process of reconciliation. Based on a recent article by Neil McAllister, it is sadly apparent that he either lacks familiarity with the relationship between the Free/Open Source Software community and Microsoft, or with the process of reconciliation.

Try to picture, for a moment, a couple of ladies sitting around chatting. The one breaks down in tears, crying about her husband's abusive behavior. She describes how her husband talks down to her at home, how he frequently accuses her publicly of things she never did - never even thought to do. She tells how he constantly threatens to haul her into court, and even threatens her friends if they try to help her. And then there was the time when she gave clothes to the homeless shelter for anyone that needed them. Oh, how he raged that he - and he alone - should have given the clothes!

Try to picture the response her friend offers. Well-meaning, she says, "There now. Look, your husband has brought you flowers! He even has a beautiful set of earrings. Go on! Give your husband the hug he deserves! He really is a good guy. He just gets a little frustrated - that's all. It will get better! He'll change. Honestly." Then the news stories a day or two later describe the bloody beating the wife suffered as she died. They quote the dear friend regretting that she ever suggested going back to the husband.



The FOSS Community And Microsoft

Microsoft has a serious problem. They abuse everyone. They abuse their competitors. They abuse their so-called "partners". They even abuse their customers. They would probably still be abusing their own employees if Bill Parish hadn't blown the lid on their accounting methods. Sadly, most just cower in fear of the great bully. Shucks! Many even play the role of the abused wife - returning to the abuser, no matter how badly he treats her. After all, whatever it is, it must be her fault. She has to make it right. And since Microsoft frequently brings flowers (or makeup and perfume) to cover up the damage, then Microsoft must be changing. They really are this time. Honestly.

That is not McAllister's only point of short-sightedness, either. McAllister claimed that Microsoft never attempted to equate "shared source" with "open source". I believe it was Jim Allchin who essentially attempt to co-opt the term "Open Source" in reference to "Shared Source". While Allchin should not be of much concern to the community any longer, the fact is that Microsoft's upper management have a way of "talking tough" and playing dirty. Even if their minions seem to be presenting bouquets of flowers, the heart of the company still wants nothing more than to beat our community to a bloody pulp. Until the upper management at Microsoft changes their tone, there is no hope for reconciliation.



One-Sided View Doesn't Help

I had a fair amount of respect for Neil McAllister until today. In his article, McAllister is calling on the FOSS community to "to set aside their pride, recognise (sic) their place in the larger software market and start working to build bridges, rather than fortresses." Nowhere in his article does McAllister suggest that Microsoft should change its behavior. Nowhere did McAllister suggest that Microsoft should stop abusing others. Nowhere did McAllister suggest that Microsoft consider making a public acknowledgment of the way it has treated the FOSS community. In his view, Microsoft has the flowers; therefore, we should go back home.

I'm sure McAllister just wants the whole ugly affair to be over. Don't we all? However, since the process of reconciliation calls for an acknowledgment of wrongdoing and a change of behavior, and since neither has actually occurred, all I can say is, we're waiting. Our community did not start the abuse. We did nothing to deserve the abuse. I'm glad McAllister is a technology writer and not a marriage counselor. I would never counsel an abused wife to return to her husband until he has demonstrated a change in his behavior.

If, and when, Microsoft acknowledges their wrong conduct, and changes their behavior, I'll be the first to step forward and recognize it. I'll even beat Richard Stallman to the handshake of reconciliation. Microsoft will have to show more than a handful of flowers, though. It's what might be in the other hand - the one behind their back - that concerns me. Call it a fortress attitude, but everyone has a responsibility to stop abuse and to protect others from it - and yes, even to call the abuser's bluff.

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Comments (41)

Good points

You make some good points, Don. Microsoft must *earn* our trust, and that must come from a long history of consistent actions not from broken promises.

If you're going to use the metaphor...

8 earlier comments in the full thread.

Libervis - yes.

Take what they give when and where it makes sense for free software.
I just don't see this is very important. What is important is that people have a choice. If people choose to put up with MS's behavior, and bad treatment, for whatever reason, I can point out the illogic of what they are doing, but ultimately, It's their choice. Spousal abuse, not even close Rev.

As Lincoln said, "you can fool some of the people all of the time". He sure did, and, some people will continue to want what MS has to offer no matter how insane that is, or how bad he treats them. If MS honestly decides to contribute to FOSS, that's fine, and, they'll be forced to play by our rules. All will benefit. If not, who cares, life will go on.
jimf, actually, the abuse is towards the Free Software community. Until recently, and even today but only with a changed strategy, Microsoft spread lies about FOSS, tried their best to isolate it (just remember their initiatives towards having all computers sold with Windows pre-installed for example) and ultimately remove it as a valid choice for the end user.

You talk about choice and that is exactly what Microsoft is attacking. This choice is their enemy, because people who choose rationally, ultimately choose GNU/Linux. Maybe Microsoft knows this and tries their best for this truth not to come out.

Microsoft is the antithesis of choice.

My spouse abuse analogy aims at Microsoft's brutish, crude, dictatorial ways of dealing with the world at large. Those who read the article should clearly understand that my second paragraph is definitely discussing the FOSS community. They "abuse" just about anyone they can, so maybe the upper management should just be declared psychopathic or psychotic or something. ;-)

Dino is correct in that we have power that most abused spouses do not have. Frankly, I see the community as standing up to the wife beater, but here's our well-intentioned friend over here telling us to go meet Microsoft half way. Fine. But my point is, you don't "go back" until the behavior changes. Microsoft's behavior must change. And it will take a while for that changed behavior to become recognizable as a change in the pattern of behavior that would convince us that they are genuinely changing their attitude toward us.

Frankly, I don't want some pundit telling our community that we should act all prim and proper since "hubby" brought home the flowers. Wife beaters typically - at least in early stages - do things to try to make up for their abusive behavior. How do we know that Microsoft's reaching out to Mozilla isn't just a bouquet of flowers?

So we accept the flowers. Then what? We get comfy and cozy, only to get brusied and bloodied again. No thanks. Maybe we accept the flowers - Mozilla did - but we need to keep Microsoft at some distance until we see the changed behavior emerge as a pattern.
> but here's our well-intentioned friend over here telling us to go meet Microsoft half way. Fine. But my point is, you don't "go back" until the behavior changes.

Absolutely, but even then, we still may not have much interest in going back. Too much history there.
Rev -

I agree that we don't "go back", but part of that is because we were never "there" to begin with. The free software movement has never been cozy with Microsoft, so there isn't much danger of rushing into it's arms.

I say take the flowers and say, "Thanks for the flowers". Nothing more, nothing less. They took the BSD TCP/IP stack (and who knows what else), we can take some pointers on Vista.

Enough things over enough time might be reason to smile and soften the heart, but we're a long way from that. Checking our baggage at the door doesn't mean throwing our brains into one of the bags, and it certainly doesn't mean closing our eyes, even to blink.

> I say take the flowers and say, "Thanks for the flowers". Nothing more, nothing less.

We're on the same page then. :-)
dinotrac, will you please refrain from trying to decide what is "in my best interest"? I, for one, will probably not work with Vista. Whether Firefox works there is of no interest at all to me.

What *is* of interest to me, is the way MS is and will keep on trying to force everything out of its way what it considers to be a treat, including - but not limited to - FOSS.

It makes me still pay for an OS I do not want (when I buy a laptop of my choice, and don't try to force this soley on the HW vendors), it pollutes some decent paper and online magazines (don't say that's nonsense, because I know it is true) and some servers still produces IE "optimized" HTML - making it impossible to use these services.

DC, I don't find this "battered wife" analogy offensive. I probably would have stepped up a little, since there is no analogy strong enough to describe MS behaviour.
beez -

>dinotrac, will you please refrain from trying to decide what is "in my best interest"?

Nobody can decide that for you, though I wonder why you buy copies of Windows if you don't have to.

I have purchased exactly one copy of Windows in the last 10 years, and it was under extreme duress -- my wife needed software for work that we could not run under Linux.

Still, your choice. If you like Windows machines, that's your right.
Well, analogies are just mental pictures anyway. They should never be understood as literal viewpoints. When McAllister shared that he thinks I "anthropomorphize" Microsoft too much, I explained that I might be prone to doing that, given my background. ;-)
beez - I didn't think Dino was trying to decide what's best for anyone. I took him as just commenting along the lines of my analogy. As for buying PCs with Windows pre-installed, you really should consider your options. We have, right on this site (http://donkey.lxer.com/module/forums/t/23168/), a list of vendors that will sell you a Windows-free PC. As for IE - I haven't had a need for it in over two years now without Windows.

If you just want to buy a PC with Windows preinstalled and use IE to visit certain sites, go for it. That's certainly your choice. Just don't blame that on Microsoft's bullying tactics, or the webmasters for that matter. :-)
dinotrac -

I was clearly talking about LAPTOPS. Budget laptops are hard - near impossible - to get in the Netherlands without Windows. FYI, we call it the "MS tax". If you want to play the dummy, that's your right. But it won't help the discussion very much.



Well, Beez --

Gosh. I guess that's just tough.

Doesn't make me a dummy. And, ahem, the internet stretches everywhere. I'm not buying your whine.
dinotrac -

Fair enough. If it looks like a dummy, smells like a dummy, writes like a dummy..
Beez, we generally refrain from attacking people here on LXer. If you disagree with Dino, fine. But please refrain from personal attacks.
beez -

>If you disagree with Dino, fine

Not only that, you'd be in good company, and plenty of it.
Nonsense. No one ever disagrees with Dino.
> Nonsense. No one ever disagrees with Dino.

Well, not for long anyway. (OK, Dino, I posted it, you can call of Guido and Luigi now). :)
>you can call of Guido and Luigi

jd -

Man, you take the fun out of everything!!

>Nonsense. No one ever disagrees with Dino.

TC -

I just got that. Cute.

There are two Borgs in the software industry

The other is Microsoft.

The other is the FOSS movement.

Both are here for the long haul. Now we'll just have to see which one lasts longer...
I already know which one will last longer. Have fun watching. :-D
Quoting:Linux Always a Bridesmaid?

September 12th, 2006: A new Harvard report is adding fuel to the fiery open source versus proprietary software debate, claiming that open source solutions such as Linux will always run second best to Microsoft Windows.

In their academic paper 'Dynamic Mixed Duopoly: A Model Motivated by Linux vs. Windows' Harvard Business School professors Pankaj Ghemawat and Ramon Casadesus-Masanell have taken a long hard look at the open source industry and come to the conclusion that competitive Windows pricing would effectively give Microsoft the power to control Linux’s market share.

The results have surprised the professors themselves, both of whom expected Linux to come out as the clear champ at the end of their analysis.
http://www.idm.net.au/story.asp?id=7468
I recognize a scorpion when I see one. I don't expect it to change its behavior. I would not apologize for being competitive, and I don't expect an apology from Microsoft, unless it's driven by the needs of their business.
> competitive Windows pricing would effectively give Microsoft the power to control Linux’s market share.

Perhaps they are right. Tiny problem: They can't afford it. Microsoft needs massive year-over-year profits to keep the stockholders happy. They have been accustomed to it. Anything less and they'll run, tanking the stock and the company in the mean time.

Microsoft greatest threat comes not from Linux but from it's complacent stockholders.
>They can't afford it. Microsoft needs massive year-over-year profits to keep the stockholders happy.

What percentage does Bill Gates hold? I don't know if he has a majority of the shares, but I'll bet he has a controlling interest.
Bill Gates is behond just software now, I doubt any of it bothers him.
> What percentage does Bill Gates hold? I don't know if he has a majority of the shares, but I'll bet he has a controlling interest.

Perhaps, but with MS's stock option plan, a lot of stock went to other employees as well. Just one more reason the whole of MS will tank when the stock takes a nose-dive: their employees will start running, dumping their stock in the process (causing a bigger nose dive, etcetera) :-)
sander -

The stock could tank, but employees running (which has already started, at least in key positions) is much more dangerous. I thought I had read somewhere a few years back that Microsoft had radically changed to degree to which it granted employees stock options...but I can't recall for the life of me.

At any rate...

Stock prices affect a company's ability to raise money and affect the happiness of stockholders. They also affect the ability to compensate executives, thanks to 1993 changes in the tax law that limit the tax deductability of salaries to the first million dollars (has that gone up?). Beyond that, they really don't have much impact on actually running the business. If Bill Gates and friends control the Board of Directors, Microsoft doesn't need to worry about stock prices. It is cash rich and can operate for years without raising capital. Bill and friends, of course, do not want to see the stock tank. Bill himself has a billion shares or so. Every dollar dropped hits him where it hurts.
Yeah, every time Microsoft stock drops a point Bill has to mow lawns for food money. :P Which just proves his total lack of imagination. He could make more money putting a funny little hat on Steve Ballmer and making him dance to a hurdy-gurdy.

Here's an interesting item in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_grinder "the disappearance of organ grinders from European streets was in large part due to the early application of national and international Copyright laws. At the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century European publishers of sheet music and the holders of copyrights to the most popular operatic tunes of the day often banded together in order to enforce collection of performance duties from any musician playing their property in any venue."

Nothing new under the sun, is there.

The McAllister article...

Thanks for your counterpoint to that Don! Awesome.

I must say that, similarly, I had thought Neil to be a worthy news source based on some of his past articles I've read.

However, that article yesterday, I feel - was rather unbalanced - and that has changed my opinion of him.

It really does suprise me that Microsofts customers keep on going back for more underhandedness - even when they've experienced this kind of manipulation and abuse directly.

denial galore

"Let's start off by acknowledging that I have never been an abused wife. As a man, it would not only be impossible, it would be downright embarrassing if it were. Secondly, as a husband, I can say I have never abused my wife."

That's what they all say. You won't get help until you admit there is a problem.

Seriously, this is just another replay of the "can't we all just get along" song that Microsoft has been playing for quite a few months now, starting with Bill Hilf and the Linux Lab. Of course we can, if certain Microsofts would quit being ... dang, I can't use the words I really want to...um....donkeyhats.

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