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Microsoft & Linux Vendors Trading in Patent Fool's Gold

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LXer - Editorial; By D.C. Parris (Charlotte, USA)
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LXer Feature: 07-Jun-2007

Well what do you know? Microsoft seems to be gaining ground with their "patent protection" scheme. But what if they discover they've only bought a few bricks of fool's gold?

Getting to the Root Problem

This whole Microsoft-Novell-GPL-who-gets-what-for-how-much-and-for-whose-3rd-child deal has many people confused, stumped, and scratching their heads. And did I mention that some people find this whole thing confusing? Highly educated people - even people with legal backgrounds - get headaches thinking about it. On the surface, it seems fairly simple. Microsoft claims a fair amount of FOSS code infringes their patents. This scares business users who are generally interested in the idea of deploying GNU/Linux in their enterprises. Microsoft and Novell reach an agreement that, without violating the specific terms of the GPL, offers patent infringement protection, similar to what users might experience in a normal cross-licensing deal. Problem solved, right? It ain't that simple.



For reasons many (most?) cannot even articulate, the FOSS community has reacted fairly negatively to the deal. Then Dell and another company sign up. Now Xandros. People are scratching their heads, wandering what Xandros' executives must be thinking, given the reaction against Novell - and many people wander if they are even thinking at all. It seems to me the larger part of the community actually has mixed feelings about the whole idea. People understand why businesses might go for a deal with Microsoft. On the other hand, people also feel betrayed by companies they have come to trust (to some extent) as good citizens and defenders of the faith (for lack of better words).



Like most in our community, it has taken me some time to come to grips with this issue - and I could still have it all wrong. The real problem I have with the patent protection deals is that we are essentially sweeping the dirt up under the carpet. We are not solving the real problem. Microsoft is not the real problem, even though they are using the real problem to their advantage. The real problem is the mess our patent system is in right now. That is the first thing that needs to be fixed. The problem is, we cannot fix it if we do not address it in the proper place - the hallowed halls of Congress. And worse, these patent protection deals remove the incentive from all of us to solve the root problem.



Try to imagine a surgeon attempting to remove your lung cancer by amputating your big toe. Well, that's about all the good patent protection agreements are. We might think we're better off, but the problem still exists, and continues to proliferate. I oppose these deals because refusing such agreements would force Microsoft to reckon with the issue of patents in a different way. With Microsoft so reluctant to sue, they would be more likely to see the problem as it really is, and work to help rectify it. Instead, Novell, Samsung, Dell, Xandros and Microsoft have all looked at each other and said, "I don't see any patent problems. Do you see any patent problems?" Congress? Patent reform? Naw! We don't need no stinking patent reform! The system is great! (Hint: it really is, if you're a patent attorney.)



Settling for Fool's Gold

What does Microsoft get out of the deals? They get to shamelessly accuse our community of wrongdoing without ever having to prove it in court. They get to advertise that they are working to enforce their patents - you know, the ones that should never have been granted to begin with. They will likely even use the deals to claim all manner of "victories" over our community. And worse, they'll get to go on submitting more applications for utterly useless patents. And what can Microsoft accomplish? Let's assume - as a worst case - they manage to gain control over Linux. What will Microsoft really have? They will have fool's gold.



Microsoft will still not own the copyrights, patent rights or any other rights to GNU/Linux. They will still face legal challenges with respect to copyrights and patents. They will still face problems like prior art. But worse, they will still lack freedom. Microsoft will be horribly entangled in a patent mess of their own making and we'll still be free. We will still write and use Free Software. They can have their patent agreements, but they won't be truly free. We already are.



Don't you see? What Microsoft really wants, even if they cannot articulate it themselves, is the same freedoms we now enjoy (at least within our own community). But instead of solving the root problem, they have fallen for the fool's gold. They have settled for the appearance of freedom, without the experience and value that genuine freedom offers.



Genuine Gold

The solution to the problem is at once simple and difficult. The simple answer is to reform our patent system. The difficulty should be obvious. What will it take to convince IBM, a company that continues to submit software patents at an astounding rate, to work toward patent reform? What will it take to convince Microsoft, a company that suffers from patent litigation, yet seeks to use the fear of patent litigation to its own advantage, to work toward patent reform?



I think it takes rejecting these patent protection deals. Rejecting these deals will force the big guys, the bullies - everyone - to step back and take a second look at the problem. That means being willing to say "no" to the fool's gold of patent protection agreements. That means being willing to hold out for the real thing - for patent reform.

I think it takes IBM, Microsoft and thousands of business users being willing to take the time to call up their congressional representatives and speaking up for patent reform. I think it will take you and me, as individuals, calling up our congressional representatives and asking for patent reform. In fact, you and had better get to cracking, before Microsoft and the megacorps get all the influence.



Look, maybe you're o.k. with patent protection fool's gold. Fine. Feel free to ignore me. But let me ask you one last question. How many of you have ever tried to impress your lover with fool's gold? Even those of you who bought the cubic zirconium probably didn't try to pass it off as a real diamond. So why settle for patent protection when we really need patent reform? Hey, I'm just asking.

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RE: Microsoft & Linux Vendors Trading in Patent Fool's Gold

You forgot to make mention of "enhanced interoperability" which happens to be the most interesting aspect of the whole deal. It would be injustice against the consumer community and the public at large to think of the agreement as just a patent protection. Also, to say that the widely applauded agreement is a fool's gold means that all the good intentions of the said agreements has either been lost in translation or intentionally ignored.

Everyone knows that MS cannot have Patents or Copyrights to GNU/Linux, just like the republican or democratic party cannot terminate the existence of the other. However, both political parties do work together in the interest of the public. That is what we are witnessing with MS and Novell, or as the case may be Xandros etc. There are several advantages to the deal as against the disadvantages. Here's the best part, the consumers would not be worse of in the worst case scenerio, that is, if we are only focusing on the disadvantages, but has a whole lot to gain on the other hand. With both companies programmers working together to give GNU/Linux the best Window/Linux interoperability on the market, the patent protection which is already in place would then make more sense after the release of GNU/Linux.

There are excellent stories out there. Some group within the Linux community doesn't approve of a relationship that other people consider way overdue shouldn't turn the world upside down. The deal is a win-win for everyone with the consumers reaping the most benefits.

Quoting:You forgot to make mention of "enhanced interoperability" which happens to be the most interesting aspect of the whole deal.


If Microsoft were truly interested in enhanced interoperability, all they need do is use the same open standards that the Linux community uses.

Yes Microsoft is interested in interoperability, so that every one can continue to dance to the tune of Microsoft's proprietary standards.
A greater tour de force of naïveté I've never read.

>>You forgot to make mention of "enhanced interoperability" which happens to be the most interesting aspect of the whole deal.

The article was about patent protection. If enhanced interoperability is the goal, why is it stated in quotes here? What is it that lies behind the quoted term?

This is a rather feeble attempt to try to change the subject, rendering the post off-topic for the article to which it responds.

>>It would be injustice against the consumer community and the public at large to think of the agreement as just a patent protection.

How so?

What is a "consumer community and the public at large?" The term "weasel words" comes to mind, but a weasel is too advanced a creature to describe these.

>>Also, to say that the widely applauded agreement is a fool's gold means that all the good intentions of the said agreements has either been lost in translation or intentionally ignored.

Widely applauded by whom, and for what?

Whose intentions? Business good intentions? Fine. What other intentions could be better than those? Glad some business has someones best interest at heart. Which business and which interest remain undefined here.

"Lost in Translation?" Unlikely. The GNU/Linux community (made up largely of developers, engineers, and others of unusual intelligence and creativity) is far underestimated by this statement.

"Intentionally ignored?" To what possible end?

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So, that's one paragraph down, and two to go. I'll let others pick up where I left off.

To the editors: I think this post belongs to one who either a) Does not speak English very well, or b) Is too naïve for words, or C) Is being paid to poorly defend the agreements mentioned, or D) All of the above.

Whatever it is, I see through it, and I sincerely doubt that I am the only one here who does.

I vote the whole thread be zapped as "too stupid to live." Ouch, my IQ hurts now.
It is most apparent that the OP missed the point completely. The current agreements only look like a win-win situation. But they fail to solve the real problem. Can anyone test my article against a teenager? If the teenager doesn't get it, let me know. I try not to write on a Master's level for a reason.

Frankly, the whole "enhanced interoperability" issue is probably worth a separate article. There were lots of things I wanted to mention, but had to consider economy of words and other issues. I hate straying off point.

I rarely delete threads that aren't actually advertisements, but you can skip this one if it makes your IQ hurt. Take 2 aspirin and call me in the morning. ;-)
>the whole "enhanced interoperability" issue

When talking about enhanced interoperability, we also need to split the discussion into Novell and everybody else. Novell has a long history of providing networking and directory services software, a business that Microsoft has really hurt with it's networking products and with Active Directory.

For Novell, enhanced interoperability has meaning and value that has goes beyond Linux.

For a Linux distribution, me kinda wonders.
Quoting:For Novell, enhanced interoperability has meaning and value that has goes beyond Linux. For a Linux distribution, me kinda wonders.
Perhaps you and other readers of the recent patent-protection deal news should take this whole issue of "enhanced interoperability for the benefit our customers" nonsense off of Novell & other Linux distros, and put it squarely back onto MS where it rightly belongs.

As tracyanne wrote above
Quoting:If Microsoft were truly interested in enhanced interoperability, all they need do is use the same open standards that the Linux community uses.

Yes Microsoft is interested in interoperability, so that every one can continue to dance to the tune of Microsoft's proprietary standards.
Given MS's track-record, this is right on! dinotrac obviously seems to disagree on this one point.
>>I rarely delete threads that aren't actually advertisements

Your tempered wisdom is much appreciated.
>and put it squarely back onto MS where it rightly belongs.

I have no idea what you're talking about. With regards to Novell, Linux is only one part of their business. They have been in competition with Microsoft for some time, selling their own proprietary software.

That makes interoperability different from Novell than for a Linux distribution.
> Your tempered wisdom is much appreciated.

It was also hard to come by. :-D
>dinotrac obviously seems to disagree on this one point.

Why do you say that?

I have been referring quite specifically to Novell, and it is Novell that has reason to be interested in interoperability more than Microsoft.
Well mxer, we're sorry, but if you didn't know that: We here at LXer are kind of paranoid. And we have every right to be paranoid.

Take this first example: The EU asked Microsoft Corp. around anno '98 to make sure software of other companies could interoperate with the MIcrosoft Windows Server product range (like Microsoft Windows NT back then). Microsoft Corp. refused. After that, the EU threatened with a fine. Microsoft still refused. After that, they got the fine, the biggest fine the EU gave ever. They still refused. However, they _did_ offer the source code. Since source code was not needed and even useless for inter-operability, and Microsoft knew this, they were deliberately trying to slow things down, also going to court to fight the fine for as long as possible. Finally, they offered the information requested, but with such a license and price, 'poor' developers of small projects still couldn't make their products interoperable with Microsoft Windows Server products. The EU asked Microsoft to come up with a researcher to find out if the fares were justified or not (IIRC). The researcher Microsoft chose said the price was not justified. After that, Microsoft tried to make the researcher _they_ came up with look like a friend of their enemy, the EU. So, concluding, after Sun firstly complained about the lack of interoperability with Microsoft Server products and Microsoft deliberately making it as difficult as possible for their competitors to interoperate with their products, nine years later Microsoft still doesn't _WANT_ it's server products to be interoperable with other software from other vendors. It even kind of paid $630 million (current exch. rate) to keep it that way.

Second example: Microsoft didn't join the OASIS discussions about an open document standard, because it said it was a SUN-only attempt, but frankly they also didn't care. After ODF made it to the ISO-standard, and their own OOXML didn't (yet), they deliberately made it as difficult as possible for Microsoft Office users to use ODF. They made a converter which s*cked, they gave away 30-day trial versions of Office2007 to make sure people would have OOXML documents which couldn't be converted to ODF (as of yet), and they tried to make their own standard, with al its shortcomings, an ISO standard. To make sure the latter would happen, they tried to indoctrinate the UK people and write to politicians the citizens wanted / needed OOXML as an ISO standard, and the UK standard body should vote in favor of it. Again, the conclusion is Microsoft doesn't want interoperability. If they would have wanted it, they would have come to the OASIS meetings, since they were an OASIS member after all, and asked for what DIN (Deutsche Industrie fur Normung) suggested: to make a lot of complements that would make ODF compatible with the legacy .doc documents. If they really wanted compability, they also would have put the description/definition of the legacy .doc, .xls etc. formats in the OOXML standard. They didn't, since the billions of legacy documents only readable by Microsoft Office are a real value for them.

After those things happened, they paid millions to Novell, to make sure Novell could make Novell's Linux software interoperable with Windows. Right. You believe that? I'm sure I speak for the majority of LXer's readers, we don't. As I said, we don't believe Microsoft because we're paranoid. At least, other people say so. I would say, we're being realistic.
"However, both political parties do work together in the interest of the public."

I haven't sprayed my lunch on the keyboard for a very long time, but this one brought me the closest. And not in a "lol" way.

The moment I read this, anything you might have otherwise said is gone.

Anyone who thinks the two faces of the Party of State Power have any "interest of the public" what so ever is hopelessly deluded.

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." -- Daniel Webster
Thanks, Bob. Here's another one:

Quoting:The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies...Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others—as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders—serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God.
-- HD Thoreau, 1849
This is fun. Does it count as "appeal to authority" if I would have said the same thing, were I able to say it as well?

I'll add a few more I found recently:

"Carjacking or impoundment? We now have two vocabularies for wrongs, depending on whether private persons or government agents commit them. This is the difference between mass murder and national defense. Between extortion and taxation. Between counterfeiting and inflation. And so on. Other examples will occur to the astute reader." --- Joseph Sobran

"There are some troubles from which mankind can never escape. . . . [The anarchists] have never claimed that liberty will bring perfection; they simply say that its results are vastly preferable to those that follow from authority.... As a choice of blessings, liberty is the greater; as a choice of evils, liberty is the smaller. Then liberty always says the Anarchist. No use of force except against the invader." --- Benjamin Tucker

"Mao periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem." ("Rather a dangerous liberty than a peaceful servitude.")

"Quemadmoeum gladuis neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." (A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.) ---Lucius Annaeus Seneca, circa 45 AD

Can I play?

“Most everyone’s mad here we can’t help that” The Cheshire cat

“I give myself very good advice but I very seldom follow it” Alice

Don't take life too seriously. You'll never get out alive! Bugs Bunny

The way I run this thing you'd think I knew something about it. Bugs Bunny

Sometimes I lie awake at night and ask 'Why me?' Then a voice answers 'Nothing personal, your name just happened to come up.' Charlie Brown

I wanna play... even though we are in blatant violation of LXer's TOS.

Concerning the US' two party system...

Quoting: I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
US President George Washington, 1796 http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=old&doc=15&page=tr...
Ooo! Ooo!

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington

http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1275
Or ...

"I only regret that I have but one lie to give for my country"

-- Too numerous to list
Quoting:"I only regret that I have but one lie to give for my country"
WTF!

No, really. Where's The F?
>No, really. Where's The F?

You're thinking of a different, nobler quote.

Disincentives are as disincentives do.

Rev -

You manage to ignore the big gaping black hole in your logic:

The GPLV3 doesn't prohibit patent protection. It prohibits patent protection that doesn't apply to all users.

If it really is appropriate to use a license to strike against patent law, if you really want to remove disincentive, the license should prohibit any and all forms of patent protection that might apply to GPLd software.
You make a great point, dino. But that would bring out cries of foul play and evil attempts at mass manipulation. Half the community charged the FSF with being a cabal of evil dictators merely for attempting to interfere with the MS-Novell deal. Would they have been tarred and feathered and run out of the country for going so far as you suggest? At the same time, I think the FSF acknowledged long ago that they didn't think they could change the situation, and so better play with the cards dealt.

And I still think we're trading in fool's gold.
Rev -

You are correct. They would have killed the goose.

But that does make things a little less cut and dry, now doesn't it?

The question of whether they have drawn the line correctly is something that time will tell. Fortunately, there is nothing that keeps them from following quickly with GPLV4 if things turn out to be bad instead of merely looking scary before they hit.

GPLV2 followed pretty quickly on the heels of the original.
Dinotrac, it's impossible to prohibit a third-party patent that a GPL program might infringe. It might be possible to prohibit distributors from having patents, but this is highly undesirable. It would mean patents could not be used by those roughly on our side (Red Hat, IBM, etc.) to fend of Microsoft and other threats. The only real solution is abolishing software patents.
>The only real solution is abolishing software patents.

My point exactly.

For the very reasons you state, it is not desirable to divorce free software from patents or patent protection. It is, however, disingenuous to hyperventilate over "other" patent protection.
I don't think Dino is disputing that - just making the point that, by acknowledging software patents to begin with, the GPL is a disincentive in its own right. While I agree to an extent, even Dino understands the FSF would have hurt themselves trying to keep the swpatents out altogether. However, if things are a little less cut and dry, it's only by a very little bit.

Nor does it present such a gaping hole that my position fails.
>Nor does it present such a gaping hole that my position fails.

We still have the pig picture.
OMG dino, you are RUTHLESS.
Quoting:We still have the pig picture.
Man am I glad I didn't wear shorts that day!
Well, Carla, you have to realize that picture is Dino's desktop wallpaper.

Reminds me of Dire Straits

Quoting:You walk out on the high wire Youre dancer on thin ice You pay no heed to the danger And less to advice...

...It takes love over gold And mind over matter To do what you do that you must When the things that you hold Can fall and be shattered Or run through your fingers like dust


Didn't knew the Dire Straits envisioned a software patent world with the song ;)

Anyway, looking at Europe in 2004 - at the time of the 'great software patent battle' (battle in a political sense), after (the real) SMB's united and went to Brussels, asking to stop software patents, they finally kinda stopped it. Note I'm saying the 'real SMB's' because a few weeks earlier lobbyists of Microsoft IBM e.a. were disguised as members of SMB, which of course they're not. Europe also has a special organization, with the main goal to 'stop software patents' (FFII.org) and keep an eye on everything the pro-patent companies / lobbyists and MEP's did. EFF would be the right organization to do this. Also, we had a small campaign of (some) EU citizens writing to our own MEP's (Memb. Europ. Parliam). Some of those personally replied to my mails.

We 'kinda' won, because a compromis was made up. The anti-swpat 'alliance' (Including Red Hat, Linux users, software-SMB et.al.) and the big companies had about the same size of their lobby. Note it took only a few big companies to come up with more lobbyists as the swpat-alliance, consisting of hundreds of SMB's and thousands of 'independent' people, mainly Linux users. The tentacles of those few big companies even reached to the chairman of the juridical committtee of the biggest party in the EP, and even a EuroCommissioner and the 'president' of a EU country were 'involved' (Microsoft promised those two countries some employment, and the taxes coming with a big Microsoft office).

The compromis was, nothing would change and the legal uncertainty (Doubt and Uncertainty, other companies were looking after the Fear) remained. The big companies didn't want a law that would make software patents unenforceable, and the alliance didn't want an amended law that would make software patents enforcable, so the law was simply thrown away. However, even this compromis was a historical achievement, since it was the first time in the existence of the EU (!) a 'law' was 'thrown away' in the second round of discussions. Till then, laws which ended up in the second round of discussion always made it, sometimes with some amandments.

So indeed, only an organized grassroots campaign can change software patents. There's also another option: If somebody would go till the supreme court saying software patents are legally not enforceable (I understood this isn't sure in the US also). However, that would require money from the plaintiff (potentially someone paying millions to license doubtable IP-rights, without owning much IP themselves) and the and willingness of the supreme court.
My recollection is a bit different. As I recall it, the SMB lobbyists and FFII forced a change in the proposed patent law. They either wanted that change or removal of the proposal all together. At that point the big companies stopped supporting the patent law because it wasn't good for them anymore, so the law got dropped. Ofcourse the big companies then spun it as a "victory" for them.
hkwint: agreed about the song metaphor.

But much more of that album is also appropriate metaphor here, particularly "Telegraph Road" and "Industrial Disease."
Sander: You're right about how it happened, however simplifeid I still see it as a compromis, but that's my point of view.

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