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Nut launches death threats at Debian women
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The nut job is welcome to make death threats at me
14 earlier comments in the full thread.
I'm with tracyanne on this one. I laugh at them. I even used to collect the most interesting one's I got. Back in the days before my FOSS life I had other hobbies that yielded me at least one death threat a week. A "good" week brought in much more. Most of these were written by people who'd probably follow up on it if they ever got the chance. Some of them were from people who weren't from the other side of the planet either. I love the voodoo death threats best. They're just so much fun to read :-)
TA and Sander, I think we're having two different conversations. You're talking about how you handle these things; I'm talking about how a lot of folks are affected by these things, and how poisonous and destructive a few hateful trolls can be to an online community. You can laugh them off. Most folks aren't that hardened, and in a better world wouldn't need to be. They don't expect to be attacked for nothing, for just being who they are, and telling them to ignore it and don't be bothered, which is very typical in geekland, is unrealistic. And un-compassionate.
I wrote about this sometime back: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/... 'Free, Open, Eating Its Young'
Some choice quotes:
I like the Five Geek Social Fallacies, they have the ring of truth: http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html
I wrote about this sometime back: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/... 'Free, Open, Eating Its Young'
Some choice quotes:
Quoting: There will always be horrid, hateful people in the world—we aren't obligated to provide forums for their bile.
...tolerating toxic people, rudeness, and abusive behavior is a big fat slap in the face to the members of your community that behave with courtesy and professionalism.
"It seems pretty simple to me: you try to post things which are not offensive, and if somehow you do manage to offend someone, you try to make amends. That surely should be the norm."
"Diversity is not about having racists, sexists etc within the community... It's about having more women, more blacks, more LGBT, more ethnic/racial minority groups etc in your community."
I like the Five Geek Social Fallacies, they have the ring of truth: http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html
Quoting:Most folks aren't that hardened, and in a better world wouldn't need to be. They don't expect to be attacked for nothing, for just being who they are,
TC in a perfect world that would be a reasonable expectation, unfortunately it ain't a perfect world. I've been through this whole thing before. People are going to attack you for no good reason, other than that they are arseholes. People are going to do hurtful things deliberately or accidentally, sometime the people who do hurtful things will say they are sorry, most won't, either because they don't see what they did was hurtful or because they don't care (and sometime because they do care, because they set out to do so).
In the end the point is not that they are arseholes, it not that someone fails to recognise they did or said something that hurt you. The point is what YOU do with that hurt. It's YOU that matters in this interaction, not the person who hurt you, not the nasty words, or worse, they said or did. It's what YOU do with the rest of your life.
You could spend your time dwelling on the hurt, the fearful threats, the physical hurts, and you would, by doing so, give them even more power over you.
Some religions have the concept of forgiveness (Christianity, Buddhism for example). The point of forgiveness is that you let go of the hurt, and move on, not that the one who offended against you be forgiven. They have ample time for the act of forgiveness to work for them when they say sorry, until then, what matters, where you are concerned, is that you have moved on, and the evil done to you no longer has power over you. Give it back to to instigator, let them own it, not you.
Psychologists recommend the same thing.
In the end that's really all I'm saying. Maybe I am hardened, I don't think so. I just think I have come to understand where the power others might have over me comes from.
Sigh. What part of "having a little compassion for people who get abused, and being supportive" is not getting through? Where did I deny that the world is of full of buttheads, or imply that I needed lectures on how to handle them?
Sometimes it feels like talking to walls here.
**edit** Nor do I accept that it's just a part of life that must be tolerated- there are things that can be done.
Sometimes it feels like talking to walls here.
**edit** Nor do I accept that it's just a part of life that must be tolerated- there are things that can be done.
Quoting: Sometimes it feels like talking to walls here.
Yes it does.
Carla, what part of sharing the benefit of my experience is not compassionate? What part of showing that there is life after insult, is not compassionate?
The most compassionate act I ever received was from someone who showed me how to move on. Everything else that passed as compassion kept me trapped. Had I chosen not to accept the gift that freed me, I would still have been trapped - probably. anyone I share that same gift with is also free not to accept it.
Quoting:there are things that can be done.
I offered one on the personal level. These people can also be selectively routed out and removed from posting where they can spew their venom, they could, also, where the law allows, be tracked down and prosecuted. So yes there are things that can be done.
> there are things that can be done.
Unfortunately, handguns in Australia seem, from here, to be hard to get. I'd still recommend it.
Unfortunately, handguns in Australia seem, from here, to be hard to get. I'd still recommend it.
Geez... this is form a forum post on a fairly reputable movie review site this week:
"I Swear to ****ing god if this slut bag whore ***** opens her god damn mouth about Rose Mcgowan one more time I will take a ****ing switrchblade and gut her ****ing stupid ***."
Switchblade? I thought that term went out of fashion like 3 decades ago. One post down:
Oh I see you (*removed*) want my switchblade in you too well no problem I need another reason to use it anyway.
"I Swear to ****ing god if this slut bag whore ***** opens her god damn mouth about Rose Mcgowan one more time I will take a ****ing switrchblade and gut her ****ing stupid ***."
Switchblade? I thought that term went out of fashion like 3 decades ago. One post down:
Oh I see you (*removed*) want my switchblade in you too well no problem I need another reason to use it anyway.
Bob hand guns are just showy noisy things anyway, I guess that's why immature people like them.
> Bob hand guns are just showy noisy things anyway...
You've obviously never fired a Ruger Mark II.
You've obviously never fired a Ruger Mark II.
The smallest hand gun I've fired was a Parker Hale 308 with a 180 grain load, but I don't think that qualifies as a hand gun.
> Bob hand guns are just showy noisy things anyway...
Not really. They are "defensive side arms", and deserve to be treated as such.
It is what to have available "just in case". If you know trouble is on the way, keep a rifle or shotgun.
However, I must totally agree on the "noisy" part. I'm disgusted that suppressors have been demonized in the mass media and legal circles, since they were invented to abide noise ordinances.
> I guess that's why immature people like them.
People like them because they recognize "the sword that gives life". An appreciation of arms is a survival trait, and has been since the first human picked up a rock.
Much like an appreciation of the benefits of Free Software leads to greater effective use of computer resources. Am I back on topic now?
Not really. They are "defensive side arms", and deserve to be treated as such.
It is what to have available "just in case". If you know trouble is on the way, keep a rifle or shotgun.
However, I must totally agree on the "noisy" part. I'm disgusted that suppressors have been demonized in the mass media and legal circles, since they were invented to abide noise ordinances.
> I guess that's why immature people like them.
People like them because they recognize "the sword that gives life". An appreciation of arms is a survival trait, and has been since the first human picked up a rock.
Much like an appreciation of the benefits of Free Software leads to greater effective use of computer resources. Am I back on topic now?
Quoting:Am I back on topic now?
close.
Tracyanne, the Ruger Mark II is a .22 caliber semi-automatic pistol. It has the advantages of the light weight, low recoil, and comparative quietness of a .22. It is also supposed to be fairly accurate for a consumer grade pistol. The combination of these features was why it was recommended by some as an ideal gun for women and youngsters. A .22 doesn't have much stopping power, but if you empty the magazine into an attacker, he's not going to be in any condition to do anything when he gets to you, and the best gun to have is one that you can use. The only problem we ever found with it was that the mechanism was too hard for my wife to work, so we got her a Smith and Wesson 622 instead, and I kept the Ruger. It tells you something that the Ruger Mark II even has a Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_MK_II). It is unfortunately no longer available, having been replaced by the Mark III.
Ozark guns has a couple of good pictures of the Ruger Mark II at [url=http://www.ozarkguns.com/Ruger Pistol/mark2/ruger_mark2.htm.]http://www.ozarkguns.com/Ruger Pistol/mark2/ruger_mark2.htm.[/url] I'd have to check to be certain, but I believe mine is a MK678G (0173), though I think mine only came with a six shot magazine.
And bringing the subject back to our favorite OS, I doubt it's a coincidence that someone who prefers Slackware also likes the Ruger Mark II.
Ozark guns has a couple of good pictures of the Ruger Mark II at [url=http://www.ozarkguns.com/Ruger Pistol/mark2/ruger_mark2.htm.]http://www.ozarkguns.com/Ruger Pistol/mark2/ruger_mark2.htm.[/url] I'd have to check to be certain, but I believe mine is a MK678G (0173), though I think mine only came with a six shot magazine.
And bringing the subject back to our favorite OS, I doubt it's a coincidence that someone who prefers Slackware also likes the Ruger Mark II.
I'm just glad I live in a society where such personal protection as a hand gun is unnecessary. I just wish it was friendlier to our favourite OS.
tracyanne, simple test of personal safety and security, call the local pizza delivery and call the police, see which one shows up first.
or a personal gun totting computer geek favorite:
Colt, the original point and click interface.
or a personal gun totting computer geek favorite:
Colt, the original point and click interface.
I live in a small country town. So the answer is simple, the police, they live just up the road, and the station is about a mile past their place. The local pizza place is a half an hours drive, at highway speeds (100Kph here in Aus) in the nearest major population centre so I wouldn't see a pizza for about an hour at least, depending on how busy they are, assuming they would actually bother delivering.
On the other hand I used to live in Sydney, in Balmain, 5 minutes by car from George street (Sydney's main street), my partner and I spent a lot of Friday and Saturday nights on the club scene. So we were out from around 10/11 PM until around 5 AM and I can't say I've ever had reason to fear for my safety, nor have I seen anything I would be particularly concerned about.
Next Madi Gras or LinuxAus, why don't you pop on over and take in the atmosphere.
On the other hand I used to live in Sydney, in Balmain, 5 minutes by car from George street (Sydney's main street), my partner and I spent a lot of Friday and Saturday nights on the club scene. So we were out from around 10/11 PM until around 5 AM and I can't say I've ever had reason to fear for my safety, nor have I seen anything I would be particularly concerned about.
Next Madi Gras or LinuxAus, why don't you pop on over and take in the atmosphere.
Quoting:tracyanne, simple test of personal safety and security, call the local pizza delivery and call the police, see which one shows up first.
Police: ~6 minutes Pizza: ~35 minutes
My country > your country ;-)
My country < most of your countries
Pizza: ~35 minutes Police: Maybe 3 hours, if you are lucky... otherwise sometimes they just forget to come at all.
Pizza: ~35 minutes Police: Maybe 3 hours, if you are lucky... otherwise sometimes they just forget to come at all.
Sadly, the police (in the US anyway) aren't "peace keepers" any more. Andy Griffith is long gone.
They are Law Enforcement. An occupying army by another name, and appropriately armed and outfitted.
The people to call when you're in trouble is the fire department. Sadly, in the US there is also "911 Emergency", where someone decides who to send rather than being able to call one or the other directly.
Jacog, not sure what country you're in, but that sounds like a big American city to me.
Small town have much better response times and better responses, because people know each other. The smallest town I lived in was about 500 people, with no "police" only a sheriff for the county and 12 deputies.
It's also the first place I applied for and received a CCW, because as the sheriff said when he shook my hand, "I believe the 2nd Amendment means exactly what it says. We can't be everywhere."
They are Law Enforcement. An occupying army by another name, and appropriately armed and outfitted.
The people to call when you're in trouble is the fire department. Sadly, in the US there is also "911 Emergency", where someone decides who to send rather than being able to call one or the other directly.
Jacog, not sure what country you're in, but that sounds like a big American city to me.
Small town have much better response times and better responses, because people know each other. The smallest town I lived in was about 500 people, with no "police" only a sheriff for the county and 12 deputies.
It's also the first place I applied for and received a CCW, because as the sheriff said when he shook my hand, "I believe the 2nd Amendment means exactly what it says. We can't be everywhere."
Only negatives?
Of all the findings of the survey this article pulls only the few negatives. How typical.
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I understand that you went through a difficult time because of some idiots who disagreed with you and wanted you to stop doing what you were doing. However, a phrase comes to mind: Words only have power if you allow them to have power.
That is the key. How long ago was it before Debian Women was started as a group? I am ignorant on the subject anyway, so please forgive me.
Assuming that it was quite a bit of time since you quit the group per se, there should have been some point in your life (or if it was recent, there should be eventually) where you may have to suck it up and move on with your life. Yes, we can say some things that are very hurtful. However, instead of closing our brains and reacting immediately, perhaps it would be a good idea to stop and think about what is on that screen, then digest, and discuss. Too much knowledge has been discarded because of disagreement on one or two points.