Trinity KDE: KDE 3 Zombified or Resurrected?

Using KDE 4.4.5 on PCLOS...runs great, runs fast, runs stable.

Quoting:Using KDE 4.4.5 on PCLOS...runs great, runs fast, runs stable.

So YOU'RE the user that KDE4 works great for -- glad to finally meet you!

OK jacog, that makes sense, thanks for the clarification.

Now waiddaminnit...

Quoting:It's all due to the fact that KDE uses the hardware better.

How's that again? What hardware is it using better?

Sound card? Ancillary.

Keyboard and mouse? Impossible to use better, in an environment rich in KB shortcuts. Maybe you just know the shortcuts better in KDE?

RAM? All indications are that KDE4 is trying to catch up to GNOME on the bloat factor.

Network? Capabilities are near parity.

That leaves the display. Are you noticing a difference in rendering speed? Since the X server is using the same hardware driver for all DE's, that leaves the client side as suspect #1. Do you have compositing enabled in GNOME, but not KDE (or vice-versa)?

Quoting:Wonder how enlightenment is doing these days...?

e17 is coming along nicely. After all, it just went beta after, what, 7 years of alpha state? I now run it on all desktops except my old PIII, which runs LXDE. Agreeing with what Scott said, it's Texstar's touch that brings the stability. Once PCLinux switched to the KDE4 base, I quit KDE. Again, Texstar's rendition of KDE4 is very stable, but I still can't grok the "folder view, social desktop" thing. Why do I need a folder on my desktop to see the icons that should be on the desktop, not in some folder? And I really don't see Dolphin replacing the functionality that is/was already in Konqueror. You can/could make it do almost any task with use of KIO slaves.

> Why do I need a folder on my desktop to see the icons that should be on the desktop, not in some folder?

and...

> You can/could make it do almost any task with use of KIO slaves.

Indeed, I think my biggest frustration with KDE4 is the abandonment of basic ideas that had been working very, very well, and making millions of users very, very happy. I, too, like that Konqueror seamlessly worked with local and remote files, of whatever type, so that they seemed to me to be "just another file".

KDE4 is not merely a re-write, it's a completely different system.

Actually you dont need a folder view for icons in the desktop, either right click and make your own shortcut or go into the menu, find the app and right click on it and send it to the desktop. Tis not hard.

KDE 4.4.5 on PCLinuxOS works great for me, I just love it.

I have 2 fairly old machines (6 years) and KDE4 runs very fast with full eye candy on both, one is my development machine and the other my media machine and KDE4 does sterling work on both.

You are not forced to use Folder view (unless Matthias Ettrich is standing behind you with a gun to your head) just switch it back to Desktop view or are folks incapable of right clicking on the desktop.

I think konqueror still has the edge over dolphin in functionality but dolphin like the rest of KDE4 is maturing rapidly and will soon be more than a match.

And no im not a fanboy, when KDE4 was first release it was complete and utter pants but like all things it matured and got better sure they made a huge mistake releasing it as soon as they did, but it seems to me people are still holding grudges against it.

Anyways it works great for me in my dual desktop setup one desktop running in folder view the other in desktop view the best of both worlds.

Chow!

Bob --

Shame on you. You clearly have forgotten that KDE4 stands for

Klobber Dumb Ewesers 4fun.

Baaaa.

TC -

Have you any wool?

Just one bag. She lives down the lane.

Quoting:Why do I need a folder on my desktop to see the icons that should be on the desktop, not in some folder?

Why would you use a desktop at all? I switched to a tiling window manager quite some time ago. As a result: no more desktop, no more icons. It took me a week to get used to but ever since that I wonder why I ever used a desktop with icons on them.

A desktop with icons has to be the most annoying file manager. It's a giant window you can't move or resize and it's always hidden behind everything else. In order to get to it you have to minimize everything. Seriously, just open you file manager to ~/Desktop and use that. It's much more useful. Or better, just use ~ instead and organize your files properly instead of dumping stuff in ~/Desktop.

Quoting:Wasn't it just a little while ago people sometimes complained that KDE3 was just too complicated?

Not I.

Okay, so instead of me "swearing" at KDE4, here's a few suggestions for the KDE team that I think could change the way a very large number of "previous KDE happy users" now see KDE4:

1. Get rid of all the "views" and just have a single desktop that accepts icons or files. YOU then have the choice as to whether you want to clutter it or not. Complexity partially vanishes and I would strongly suspect speed rises.

2. Get rid of the "plasmoid" nonsense (including that ridiculous cashew) for general users, or if you absolutely must keep it for the 5% of developers who want it, divide it off as a separate module that can be switched on or off as required. Again, complexity, ...no, in this case: "over-complexity" is reduced and speed has to rise.

3. Review the menu structure for Personal Settings and compare it with KDE3.5. Now, make the KDE4 traditional menu structure a direct copy of the KDE3.5 menu and please, dear heavens, let it have the same abilities. This one is strictly re-establishing user comfort.

Okay........if I can think of these things, and see they could work, why in heavens name cannot the KDE4 team ?

And let me also agree with tracyanne above.......I never complained about KDE3 complexity.

> (including that ridiculous cashew)

Still haven't figured out how that works, and honestly I don't care to learn.

> Okay........if I can think of these things, and see they could work, why in heavens name cannot the KDE4 team ?

You're thinking like a user. They're not only incapable of thinking like a user, they don't even care about users. As long as KDE4 does what they want, everybody else should just shut up and be happy with it.

And if that isn't their attitude, they need to learn to communicate better, because that's sure what comes across.

The coolest things about KDE3 are discoverability and directness. Nobody makes as good use of right-click as KDE3, nice right-click menus all over the place for direct configuration of whatever you happen to be in. None of this goofy nonsense of having to wade through menus or fire up something like gconf. Somewhere I saw a comment that KDE4 is like an old DOOM game, where you have to traverse multiple levels and perils to find a key, and then backtrack all those levels and perils to find the door.

Given the immediate comments above, I wonder if the Trinity project is actually going the wrong way.....Perhaps they should take the KDE4 code, fork it and apply those three ideas I suggested. That starts with an overcomplex framework that is nevertheless based on Qt4 and replaces its software "bumph" with sanity......Now wouldn't that put bamboo splinters under the KDE4 fingernails.

Ridcully:

1: It already does 2: Dont use them, although I agree having a way to get rid of the cashew would be nice 3: no comment that is polite or repeatable in polite company, but in general agreement.