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Unity Clouding Up The Desktop

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LXer Feature: 29-Oct-2010

Mr. Des Ligneris wrote that the adoption of Unity is a bold move and a good one for Canonical and Ubuntu, as the focus of computing is shifting wholesale to the internet and "The Cloud". It is an interesting viewpoint from Mr. Des Ligneris. I don't see the Unity plans as a blessing though. There is no point in turning a full fledged desktop machine into a "Mobile Internet Device". Their use cases don't overlap. While a desktop is certainly capable of performing MID tasks, it is not the intended operating area of a desktop machine.

Mr. Des Ligneris wrote that the adoption of Unity is a bold move and a good one for Canonical and Ubuntu, as the focus of computing is shifting wholesale to the internet and "The Cloud".

Benoit des Ligneris : Open Source Catalyst

It is an interesting viewpoint from Mr. Des Ligneris. I don't see the Unity plans as a blessing though. There is no point in turning a full fledged desktop machine into a "Mobile Internet Device". Their use cases do not overlap. While a desktop is certainly capable of performing MID tasks, it is not the intended operating area of a desktop machine.

People seem to have lost the perspective on desktop computing. The desktop has always been an environment with a secondary role to what people want with it. The desktop needs to be simple, intuitive and out of the way. Most desktops today just do that. They make working with programs easier. Desktop computing has always been about launching powerful programs that make a desktop computer useful and managing the large amount of data that accompanies it. That the browser has become a bundled item with the OS is one of convenience. To do computing you need an OS to launch programs, to "go online" you need a browser. Both have become plumbing. As such, both are infrastructure and both are sub-ordinate to the tasks that people want to perform on top of them.

Somehow the trend to do server-client computing has seen a resurgence as "Cloud Computing". It is probably a product of the cyclical nature of things. Cloud Computing entails the assumption that people are just going to forsake their powerful local programs and become paying consumers of entertainment and content in anemic simulations of desktop programs online. This might be a good model for so called "smart phones" and MID's/tablets but I don't see how it makes sense on a real desktop computer.

The claim that Canonical has made a good move with bombarding Unity as the succesor to their traditional desktop is a shaky one at best. A desktop is per definiton a stationary device and not purely meant for light, fleeting tasks on the internet. No one in their right mind lugs around a heavy desktop computing setup to check their e-mail and to update their facebook page. Desktop computers are used to do wordproccesing, spreadsheets, video, photography, programming, designing. In essence desktop computers are used to create and transform information. Tasks that require power, low latency and programs that make these tasks as easy as possible. Imagine doing all of the above on your smartphone in a web application.

Unity as a desktop shell will either mean Canonical needs to morph it away from the limited function device interface it is now, or to keep it as a MID interface and as a consequence transform the desktop from a device to create information to a device to consume it. Boths paths have their own set of problems.

If Canonical chooses to transform Unity to an interface that is also usable on the desktop for the tasks that desktops are used for, namely launching powerful programs to create and transform information, they will end up with an interface that needs to be able to switch modes on use case; desktop or mobile. If Canonical chooses to impose the mobile paradigm on the desktop, they'll end up with a limited launcher that hampers the workflow of the tasks that are the strength of the desktop.

The first option will eventually lead to the situaton we have now. You have a desktop interface and a mobile interface. The only difference here is that Canonical will be forced to maintain it themselves, as upstream isn't interested in picking up Unity. The Gnome project has their own Gnome Shell. It will mean a shift in the maintainer of the code, but not in paradigm.

The second option is the option that makes the most sense for Canonical cost wise. Unity is already developed as their MID interface. Just add a few bits and bobs to make it minimally palatable on the desktop and ship it as the new answer to desktop computing. While this looks like a logical path, it leads to a question whose answer makes the whole endeavor futile. If the desktop version of Ubuntu will become nothing more than a slightly souped up MID OS, why shell out money for a non-mobile, expensive and overspecced desktop machine? A tablet or netbook device makes a lot more sense in that case.

In my opinion, the race to "web-ify" desktops is missing the point. The use case for a desktop is to do computing intensive and transformative tasks on information. MID's, tablets, smart phones, netbooks, whatever you want to call these devices, are primarily lower powered devices to access already processed information. Both devices have their place. Let desktop computing be about the heavy lifting. Let MID's be about accessing the information made on desktops.

Maybe it is time to look at the users, instead of the devices. It might be that the market for content consuming MID users is vastly larger than content producing desktop users, but this shouldn't be a sign that desktops need to be transformed into MID's. It should be a sign that sales of true MID's need to be ramped up and that the dream of "a computer on every desktop" was too ambitious. Let a good usable desktop be the domain of people doing work and let MID's be for leisure and entertainment.

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Comments (16)

Has their been any studies of desktop user habits?

For example the home users I support really only use their computers for browsing the web, email and writing the odd document. They do some of the multimedia stuff you mentioned, but it mostly is plug in camera, sync pictures, minor editing and then share. I don't believe any of them would fit into the definition of a desktop user that is put forward by the article.

Actually thinking about it, the move towards a more unified interface would make more sense, if we take into account the iPhoneisation of users. I've noticed a trend in comments that people are making when they ask how to do something on their computers. It irks me when I hear the dreaded "why can't they make it easier to use like my iPhone?"

Simplifying the GUI of the desktop could be considered an evolution, if considered from the point of view that users might prefer not needing to constantly adapt themselves based on what device they are in front of.

I do think they need to be careful to tailor the GUI to the type of device, but still maintain standard/familiar interface across the board...
It doesn't make it easier when you make a desktop more like a mobile phone, it makes it harder. The desktop becomes more restrictive, and less capable, and that it appears is where these idiots want to take us.
@ Mahousaru

The point I was trying to make with the article is that a desktop is not a MID and that turning the desktop into one by using a MID interface is defeating the purpose of a desktop machine.

If the majority of the people today own desktop computers and they are asking for MID like devices and interfaces, the tech industry has been selling them the wrong machines for two decades. Which is why I said that maybe we need to ramp up the sales of MID devices. Think iPad, WeTab, Netbook. More appliance like machines. Turning the current desktop machine, the workhorse of the PC revolution, artificially into a MID is topsy turvy.

It's like buying a Humvee and then complaining that the thing isn't working very well in the city. If driving in the city is the intended use case, why not get a small city car? Same with desktop machines. If you want a limited function device experience and not a multipurpose machine, why not buy a tablet or some other gizmo that is made for these kinds of tasks, instead of something that could be artificially made to fit, but which wasn't designed to be limited.

The current reasoning seems to be along the lines of why not limit the desktop into a MID like appliance, since the majority already erroneously owns this type of machine. If we keep up with this thinking, we will keep on selling the wrong class of machine to the majority of the people. They shouldn't be exposed to MID-ified Desktops. They should be able to buy a fitting device in the right class right away.

Doing this protects both types of user. Users who really need a desktop computer can get one with a "real" desktop OS. Users who want an Internet device, with the capability of some light productivity work, won't be subjected to a very complex (and thus error prone) machine disguised as something simple.

In short. I don't think One Size Fits All.
Quoting:I don't think One Size Fits All.


Quoting:

Let a good usable desktop be the domain of people doing work and let MID's be for leisure and entertainment.


Quite sensible.
@ tracyanne:

100% agreed. And, I'd rather see MIDs look/work more like desktop machines. That as opposed to the other way around.

hmm, seems if others are making logical comments my tinfoil beanie must not have been on too tight in the other thread.
I think Canonical actually does usability testing in which they bring people in, plop them in front of machines and then ask them to do stuff and talk about it afterward.
az, if you already ate all the Halloween candy it could be a sugar overdose.
Did someone say Halloween candy!?!?

I think with the advancements of "Ubuntu on ARM", in a while it should be possible to replace Android by ARM on some (?) phones&MID's. So, for those who want it, MID's might become more like desktops.

The other way around might also serve some needs: Those people who want to use their desktop as an iPhone. I think Unity is aimed at those people, so it seems some of these needs are served.

ed: Should add, I think the biggest problem as perceived in the article, would be gone if Unity had a "Gnome" button, which would start Gnome. Or if it had a large "Consume/create" switch (with a better name of course), which would switch between Unity and Gnome.

I remember it was that way back in Win98, you were either listening or recording, and had to set the mode somewhere accordingly. People were used to it, nobody complained.
git 'way from my candy drummer boy ... back in your cage ... back I say.
Do you have trick or treaters in rural Alaska, az?

We bought our Halloween candy yesterday. Wal Mart already had it on closeout to make room for Christmas stuff. I'm not a fan of Wal Mart generally but this saved us about 50% of the cost of giving the local kids sugar overdoses.

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I have a netbook. It has a desktop interface which I prefer since I use it for serious work. I think lumping netbooks in with MIDs isn't a good way to categorize the devices. A lot of people use netbooks for serious work. This probably includes majority of people who have bought in the last year or so when the hype was gone and many of the machines with Atom processors and 2GB of RAM are very functional replacements for larger systems.

Can a MID or tablet be used for serious work? As a desktop replacement, clearly not. For some quick, on the go stuff, it depends. I agree that one type of interface isn't for everyone, even on these devices.
@Azerthoth; But there is no candy in my cage..:-(
Scott, don't feel bad. My ferrets don't get candy either. It's not good for them.

[Runs and hides]
I asked Candy if she was interested.

Once she stops laughing and can catch her breath...
I am very thankful that this article was written. I have been using Gnome since RedHat 8 and now use it on the current release of Ubuntu. The idea of switching to a Unity environment on the large desktop screen sounds very restrictive to me.

When I first became aware of Unity I was curious about it as a notebook accessibility option to make the most of small notebooks and netbooks. However, trying to run it on my desktop was a bit of a nightmare. It just seemed like an inefficient use of screen space and a time waster as I tried to do a few projects on it.

So I don't know about other people and their uses, but for the work that I do, the traditional interface setup seems more effective. I don't want to have to be distracted or limited by the interface I am using.

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