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LXer Feature: 11-Dec-2011

I just finished my third try with gnome 3. This time was the longest. I spent the month of November using it daily.

I first it tried with a beta version and spent less than 3 weeks total using it. I figured that it was beta and that the fact that the 'shutdown' option was missing and the configuration options missing were due to the unfinished state. Also the worst feature was the use flow, the steps needed to get anything done. Having to disrupt your work flow to go to the activities window and then go to applications to start an application was ridiculously cumbersome.

In the beta version, I had figured that the application menu and any shortcuts had not yet been implemented. I had read that one of the main goals of Gnome 3 was to reduce distraction in your work. Instead, the beta seemed to be designed to actually increase distraction and disruption of work flow.

Why would anyone interested in reduced distraction force users to leave the desktop to the activities window, and then leave the activities window to go to the applications window just to launch an application? Why did these things even need an entire window? In the old desktop model 'activities' was a very small list of things that were running displayed in the panel. 'Applications' was a drop down menu that originated in the panel and took up only as much room as needed, opening sub-panels as your search got deeper. This old design was much less disruptive than the beta version of an entire window devoted to what used to be three applets in a panel that could auto hide.

I was amazed when I saw these still missing in the 3.0 release and that the use flow was actually by design! If this was supposed to be an improved work flow, I find it hard to even comprehend how the people who work like this actually work. When Linus Torvalds described the interface as 'insane' I was in complete agreement. The complete lack of denial by fans of the new design, frankly, baffled me. I still don't understand how they actually use it and feel it is better.

During my second try of Gnome 3, with the release, I kept count of how often I had to leave the desktop and enter the activities menu. This is the absolute worst part of the design. A complete disruption of work flow, shifting the user completely off of the desktop and into another window. Kind of like Biff Tannen slapping George McFly on the side of the head in the movie Back to the Future.

I averaged going to the activities window over 100 times per day. I was amazed at the inefficient design.

I spent the entire month of November using gnome 3.2. With extensions, it is becoming tolerable. You can now see what windows you have open without leaving the desktop. You can also add an applications menu so you do not have leave the desktop in order to launch an application. You also do not need to leave the desktop in order switch workspaces. Extensions also bring back a saner way to switch applications.

I averaged entering the activities window about 40 times a day. This was a vast improvement. While Biff Tannen slapping you on the side of the head yelling 'McFly' 40 times a day is an improvement over having it happen 100 times a day, it is still unacceptable to me.

I'll try again with gnome 3.4.

Until then, Jeff will be happy to hear that I have installed bodhi linux in that partition and am spending December learning my way around. Thanks to the community of volunteers, gnome 3 is overcoming some of its worst design flaws.

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Comments (11)

A fan that loves to hate Gnome

I have been using Gnome for years and was really in love with Gnome 2, but when they came out with Gnome 3, i was really upset. I still use it to this day because I know Gnome will come up with something soon, but time is running out. I believe that Gnome 3 and Unity are the worst there is. Now that's just me. For now I will keep Gnome 2 installed till they come up with something better. I have hope in the gnome, I still love you.
Even though I find a lot to like in GNOME 3, the reviewer here, number6x, hits it on the head pretty well -- you should be able to access applications by clicking on icons on the panel or desktop, you should be able to access virtual desktops by clicking on the panel or desktop.

On my GNOME 2 desktop, I've got icons for 22 applications on the upper panel. I can toggle between six virtual desktops on the lower panel.

I think that options to do these things will be easier to implement in due time in GNOME 3, in which extensions can be coded in Javascript and CSS.

For now, this whole Unity/GNOME 3 mess -- again, even though I'm OK with both GNOME 3 and Unity in their own way, I acknowledge that this is a mess, there's always Debian Stable, which offers good ol' GNOME 2, and will probably continue to be Debian's stable release through early 2013 and will be supported as Old Stable for a year after that. Hook up Debian Backports and the Debian Mozilla APT Archive and you get newer versions of critical applications to go with your old, crusty GNOME 2. That's what I'm doing ...

Debian lets the crotchety stay crotchety.
Slackware lets the sensible stay sensible.

Heh.
Gnome 3, for me, is a huge source of mixed feelings. Since the advent of MGSE and the new extensions.gnome.org, I've been able to pick and choose the extensions that make Gnome 3 bearable.

Still, the Gnome 3 desktop is sparse. It feels like an early 2000's project with the provided tools and options. The default look is fine, but don't expect anything fancy. Don't expect to find easy accessible, little utilities. The "control center" is a ghost town in comparison to what is available in Gnome 2.

The only reason I put up with it, is because Gnome 2 is (un)dead and the path forward looks like it's going to be Gnome 3. I still have a silent hope that Gnome 3 will mature and regain some of its former Gnome 2 usability during development. Distraction free computing is fun as long as the devs can really code on the core. Once that is done, new features are where the coding fun is at.

While the new extensions site offers some nifty little tools and the selection is small, I foresee some problems in the future if the site design doesn't change. Right now it doesn't have categories. Even in it's nascent state, it already has extensions that only run on the latest development release. I can see this growing in an unwieldy monster pretty fast. Let's hope the Gnome devs realize that soon.
Quite frankly, with all this Linux desktop cr@p hitting the fan, Windows starts to seem to me like the forbidden fruit I swore I will never touch (again..). I hope the devs come to their senses and realize that what they're currently doing is actually KILLING the Linux desktop.

I want SO MUCH to use KDE, but the lack of a reliable way to integrate with Exchange is a show stopper for me. Please don't mention Thunderbird, I want seamless desktop integration and Thunderbird ain't it.
The best cure for Windows self-delusion is to spend a day in never-never land.

Every day I'm confronted with a Windows desktop provided, ever so thoughtfully, by my employer. Every third day or so (on average) it locks up.

Every day I use M$Office I curse the unconfigurable ribbon, and watch as Office commits suicide (inevitable, if you dare to think and type quickly).

Most days the desktop sits there playing music from Pandora. But even that is too difficult for Windows, which forces itself to be rebooted at a minimum of once a week.

Even kde4, for all my cursing last week, never crashed. With XFCE I've gone months without rebooting. Only my curiosity about new ways Linux has left MS behind has led me to reboot my system.

Yep, the best cure for MS-envy is to try and use their products.

Thanks for the Mention

Hope you like Enlightenment - have any questions be sure to ask on the E mailing list or the Bodhi boards :)

~Jeff
Is it working on the Raspberry Pi yet?

/me ducks and runs
We have an ARM repo that works on Debian Stable, so yea - install that one your ARM device and you can have our GUI

~Jeff
I'm breathlessly awaiting the day...
Thanks Jeff. You should be proud of your work with bodhi.

I'm using the bodhi boards and forums. It still feels a little foreign to me, but I've lived through multiple distros and desktops so that is not a new feeling.

I settled on debian and debian derived distros while ago (slackware -> SuSE -> Libranet -> Mepis -> debian -> Ubuntu). Most of bodhi linux feels like an old friend. I'm just learning the e desktop.

I don't know if I can do a good review yet because it would be about me learning enlightenment more than it would be a review of bodhi.

I like it so far. Learning something new is always fun, as long as the frustration comes from me not knowing how to do something, and not from the implementation of what I am learning.

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