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"Nobody likes the idea of having to practically beat their operating system into submission,... but this is the reality with Linux," asserted Slashdot blogger Barbara Hudson. "One good idea layered over another good idea added to another good idea sometimes ends up with really bad results. We don't all want to be 'protected from ourselves' by more and more features that assume the user is a dummy. There's another OS for that."
Frankly, this whole matter is being distorted, as far as I am personally concerned - and distorted in the wrong direction. SuSE and openSUSE have been my Linux OS for the past 12 years. It's all I run. I love it for it's security, ease of administration, stability and the ability to successfully complete the tasks I need to get done. Requiring me to use a root pass word to change the pc's time is not a burden - that's what you do because you are "tampering" with the system clock; using the root password to change all printer settings or install printers, no fuss - that's what you do when you are changing the basic structures of your system. I use Turboprint, and that set of marvellous printer drivers absolutely demands that you go into root level in order to change major settings such as the type of printer etc. Day to day things like paper size, print quality etc., no. I don't use wifi, but if I did, I would EXPECT to have to go into root level access.
One of the reasons I like openSUSE so much is that it IS secure, that it DOES insist that you follow correct security protocols handed down from the "Unix forebears", and comparing the security of openSUSE with that of WinXP is not just wrong, in my books it is downright insulting.
I have enormous respect for Linus and equally, I have enormous gratitude for his work, but on this security matter, I personally think he has lost the plot. OpenSUSE is doing exactly what it should do: it is insisting that before you tamper in any way with the system itself, you show that you have the appropriate level of security required. It's why Linux viruses are still "talked about but not seen seriously in the wild". It's why phishing scams still mostly fail with Linux because they try to get you to do something that requires root level operation. Honestly, storm in a teacup is how I view this stupid and silly "faux pas in irritation" out of Linus. But all of us shoot off our mouths sometimes, and I am no exception. Somebody is going to view this post as an example of me doing the same. But I take heart from the last lines of the article:
Quoting: "If that cannot be done on SUSE, Linus is right," Pogson said. "If he was just impatient and did not configure the system the way he wanted, Linus is wrong."
Either way, "Linus is now 40+ years old," Pogson concluded. "He should soon mellow a bit. I know I did around that age -- my wife made sure of it..."
Dunno about the last 6 words of the quote though.......I'm heading towards 70. My wife occasionally is of the impression that I still haven't grown up when she watches some of the things I get up to. Spent part of yesterday chasing beef cattle through lantana scrub.....Scott knows the whole story. :-)
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One of the reasons I like openSUSE so much is that it IS secure, that it DOES insist that you follow correct security protocols handed down from the "Unix forebears", and comparing the security of openSUSE with that of WinXP is not just wrong, in my books it is downright insulting.
I have enormous respect for Linus and equally, I have enormous gratitude for his work, but on this security matter, I personally think he has lost the plot. OpenSUSE is doing exactly what it should do: it is insisting that before you tamper in any way with the system itself, you show that you have the appropriate level of security required. It's why Linux viruses are still "talked about but not seen seriously in the wild". It's why phishing scams still mostly fail with Linux because they try to get you to do something that requires root level operation. Honestly, storm in a teacup is how I view this stupid and silly "faux pas in irritation" out of Linus. But all of us shoot off our mouths sometimes, and I am no exception. Somebody is going to view this post as an example of me doing the same. But I take heart from the last lines of the article:
Dunno about the last 6 words of the quote though.......I'm heading towards 70. My wife occasionally is of the impression that I still haven't grown up when she watches some of the things I get up to. Spent part of yesterday chasing beef cattle through lantana scrub.....Scott knows the whole story. :-)