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Mozilla Files Brief Against U.S. Immigration Executive Order
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Quoting:Moziila just can't let their politics go and concentrate on making good software. So the quality of their software declines and they slowly fade away into irrelevance.
I couldn't agree more.
Well, whatever their political beliefs may be, I still use Firefox and Thnderbird. Don't see anything I want to use instead.
> I still use Firefox and Thnderbird. Don't see anything I want to use instead.
That's your choice. That's what freedom is all about. And I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with Mozilla's political choices and will want to support them.
However, for those searching for alternatives, there are options out there.
Thunderbird: http://www.claws-mail.org/
Firefox: https://www.palemoon.org/ and https://www.brave.com/
Just to mention a few.
And that still doesn't address the fact that the quality of their software is declining.
That's your choice. That's what freedom is all about. And I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with Mozilla's political choices and will want to support them.
However, for those searching for alternatives, there are options out there.
Thunderbird: http://www.claws-mail.org/
Firefox: https://www.palemoon.org/ and https://www.brave.com/
Just to mention a few.
And that still doesn't address the fact that the quality of their software is declining.
You misunderstand.
Mozilla doesn't exist to create Firefox and Thunderbird. In fact, it's the other way around: Firefox and Thunderbird exist to forward Mozilla's social agenda.
Mozilla isn't a tech company, it's a community project. And it has always been explicitly concerned with -- and motivated by -- promoting community, equality, inclusion, fair and open access to digital technologies and resources, etc.
(Note: That's why Brendon Eich's promotion to CEO was a problem (I assume that's what the above commenter was referring to), and that's also why Trump's immigration Executive Order is an issue for Mozilla -- not to mention Mozilla's need to remain attractive to current and potential contributors and participants, regardless of their nationality, religion, and whether or not King Trump finds it convenient to demonize such people for the sake his political political posturing and security theater.)
Of course Mozilla can't let go of "politics" -- that's actually why they exist in the first place.
Mozilla doesn't exist to create Firefox and Thunderbird. In fact, it's the other way around: Firefox and Thunderbird exist to forward Mozilla's social agenda.
Mozilla isn't a tech company, it's a community project. And it has always been explicitly concerned with -- and motivated by -- promoting community, equality, inclusion, fair and open access to digital technologies and resources, etc.
(Note: That's why Brendon Eich's promotion to CEO was a problem (I assume that's what the above commenter was referring to), and that's also why Trump's immigration Executive Order is an issue for Mozilla -- not to mention Mozilla's need to remain attractive to current and potential contributors and participants, regardless of their nationality, religion, and whether or not King Trump finds it convenient to demonize such people for the sake his political political posturing and security theater.)
Of course Mozilla can't let go of "politics" -- that's actually why they exist in the first place.
>Of course Mozilla can't let go of "politics" -- that's actually why they exist in the first place.
What is now was not always... software, code, and high quality of workmanship was the goal of the community at one time:
https://web.archive.org/web/20000511020451/http://www.mozill...
and
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=1145
The political notions were all about GPL vs. Proprietary... and the definition of 'free'.
ahhh... sadly, the days when 'community' meant a bunch of geeks (of any sort) getting excited about coding have been forgotten and replaced with some other definition of 'community'
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I continue to use FF because it's here. I haven't tried Brave.. yet...
I use sylpheed for email. I monitor about 18 accounts, and nothing else I've tried can keep up.
What is now was not always... software, code, and high quality of workmanship was the goal of the community at one time:
https://web.archive.org/web/20000511020451/http://www.mozill...
and
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=1145
The political notions were all about GPL vs. Proprietary... and the definition of 'free'.
ahhh... sadly, the days when 'community' meant a bunch of geeks (of any sort) getting excited about coding have been forgotten and replaced with some other definition of 'community'
*************
I continue to use FF because it's here. I haven't tried Brave.. yet...
I use sylpheed for email. I monitor about 18 accounts, and nothing else I've tried can keep up.
> Firefox and Thunderbird exist to forward Mozilla's social agenda.
Which is what I said above. And why I don't use them.
> ...and whether or not King Trump
If your going to use alternative titles, the correct one is "God Emperor" Trump.
> Of course Mozilla can't let go of "politics" -- that's actually why they exist in the first place.
As dotmatrix points out, that wasn't always the case.
In any case, no man can serve two masters. If politics is more important than code, don't expect quality code.
> I continue to use FF because it's here. I haven't tried Brave.. yet...
My only problem with Brave is that they're 64 bit only, and the process of compiling from source is, erm, involved, so I'm not up to creating a 32 bit version.
That's why I use PaleMoon on Linux. It's a fork of Firefox.
> I use sylpheed for email.
Claws is a fork of sylpheed (https://infogalactic.com/info/Sylpheed), so you might want to give it a try.
Which is what I said above. And why I don't use them.
> ...and whether or not King Trump
If your going to use alternative titles, the correct one is "God Emperor" Trump.
> Of course Mozilla can't let go of "politics" -- that's actually why they exist in the first place.
As dotmatrix points out, that wasn't always the case.
In any case, no man can serve two masters. If politics is more important than code, don't expect quality code.
> I continue to use FF because it's here. I haven't tried Brave.. yet...
My only problem with Brave is that they're 64 bit only, and the process of compiling from source is, erm, involved, so I'm not up to creating a 32 bit version.
That's why I use PaleMoon on Linux. It's a fork of Firefox.
> I use sylpheed for email.
Claws is a fork of sylpheed (https://infogalactic.com/info/Sylpheed), so you might want to give it a try.
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Ah well, as someone more prolific than I said, “The more an institution converges towards the highest abstract standard of social and distributive justice, the less it is able to perform its primary function.” Mozilla made their choice quite a while ago. For them, politics trumps software.