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Buy Your Linux Laptop Direct and By Pass Dell

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Lxer; By Tom Adelstein
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The "Name" brands do not manufacture their own laptops. They buy them from Original Design Manufacturers (ODM). These ODMs sell their computers to DELL, Toshiba, IBM, HP, Compaq, Sony and others. They then put their label on it and market it. You can find the same laptops and buy yours without an operating system.

About a year ago, The Inquirer ran an article discussing the commoditization of laptop computers. Turns out that Compal, Quanta and Wistron produce the vast majority of machines under the guise of original design manufacturers.



According to the article written by Mike Magee, understanding how laptops make it to you has some significance.



And that means that our choice of notebook is far more limited than it’s ever been, with the large multinational brands like HP, Dell, IBM and Toshiba ceding most of the work on the machines to outsourced Taiwanese ODMs and just slapping their badge on machines which have more similarities than differences.


In the Laptop world, ODMs provide their products to DELL, Toshiba, IBM, HP, Compaq, and Sony who install a hard drive, processor, RAM and their sticker on them. For the privilege of paying a markup and a licensing fee for Microsoft Windows, you can have a Compal, Quanta or Wistron with a Dell or other logo. You might even find a Clevo in the bunch.



Psychologically, branding has a calming effect on people who buy things they don't understand. Why pay less when you can get the same thing for more? When it comes to name brand products of various kinds, that's what people must believe.



Of course, some would argue that you'll get better support from a name brand manufacturer than the people that made them. That's another of the major myths in the industry. The ODM's typically provide what we call level 3 support which means ultimately the manufacturer provides support to the technicians at the major resellers. The resellers outsource their technical support to someone else and in many cases those call centers reside in India.



Just last week, I spoke to Cindi and Annie in New Delhi about a problem I had with a modem. They seemed like nice girls. When I started speaking about India with them, they suddenly had different names. They did not work for the company that put their name on the modem.



When you call one of the name brand computer companies and get one of their real employees, he or she is often a sales associate. And if you have good luck, you will find technical support provided by the name brand company. But, when it comes to Linux, you might have better luck somewhere else.



They Don't Support Linux, Don't Support Them



Someone might think I'm saying that the major brands do not add value to their products. I'm not saying that at all. I just want to convey that you can probably find a comparable notebook from the same ODM for less money and without the Windows tax by going to an alternate source.



You can do your own searches on Google if you want to find people who resell Compal, Quanta, Wistron, Asus, Clevo, Mitac, FIC, AOpen, and Uniwill. Most of them will sell you a laptop without an operating system or they will install Linux on it for you. You should do your own shopping because these ODM products are available in various countries around the world. You should also make sure you feel comfortable with the reseller.



One of the larger companies I investigated sells ODM laptops without an operating system 50% of the time. They also say that a large portion of their customers use Linux and that's why they offer Linux.



I wonder if Gartner surveyed that company? In fact, don't you wonder if the analysts who praise the HP's and Dells of the world are really helping their customers? I mean, do they tell their customers that if they want a certain Quanta model that they can chose from a selection of name brand computers?







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Comments (5)

OK. I heard that some of the name brand manufacturers say that they don't see any demand for Linux laptops (or desktops). They call this the "take rate".

When I see this comment, I respond with "you don't know how to sell it, it's not that it won't sell. In fact, you go out of your way not to sell it."

Dell discontinued selling Laptops with Red Hat on them back in 2000 and they had a decent take rate. That came from the horse's mouth.
Coincidentially, I was researching exactly the same.

Please look at my reaction at http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/18170/ of sep 19 2005, where I mentioned three online stores in the US that sell the brand Sabio, which offers amongst others (almost) exactly same laptop as the Dell latitude 110L, and with two years less warranty even cheaper.

By the way: I started an action to see if you can get restitution from MS (Netherlands) if you buy a brand new laptop and return the WinXP cd unused, let your HD be wiped by MS, and let the MS-WinXP license sticker be removed.

Of course I know this is not possible, but I should get it written from MS. After that I hope to start writing some Dutch Competition Authority/Consumer TV-programs, Consumer organisation and maybe some political parties too, asking them if it's normal 99% of the laptops in NL come with WinXP, but you're unable to get restitution if you don't use it.

I think this is 'coupled sale', and in the EU, it's maybe forbidden to do so, though the law is unclear about it, since it's to old to regard software (it doesn't mention software as being a product). Anyway, going to let everybody know what will happen, if I get reactions at all.

First of all: Tomorrow a letter with recorded delivery will go to MS (they bounce my e-mail saying mcchol.microsoft.com was not found, even though I use hotmail, and the "delivery failed" notification is placed in the 'unwanted mail'folder by hotmail)
hkwint's post from "Latest Dell laptop runs on Mandriva Linux"

Very interesting: I just found out, following some links provided by cyber_rigger, the Dell-latitudes comes from a Taiwanese company, named Quanta. At http://www.avadirect.com , you can buy customised Quanta-laptops (that's true: A Dell laptop in the US without Windows and Dell-sticker!). They're called Sabio and not Dell, but who cares?

Looking at the French Dell-laptop, I identified the left/upmost laptop as probably being the same as the Dell latitude 110L. So I started configuring it in exactly the same way as the French Manriva Dell+Linux offer, even including 3 years warranty. However, with the Sabio, I was unable to select plain DDR, so I had to order DDR2.

The Sabio came to a total of $962.58 (E 792), including shipping and VAT.

The Dell Latitude 110L came to a total of E 759 ($921).

I also found some other US-stores selling the sabio-brand, most promising were http://www.asimobile.com (Possible to configure without OS) http://www.powernotebooks.com (Possible to configure without OS, think it's the Crown 17:6 Force, with $892 even cheaper then the Latitude 110L, incl. shipping, but only 1 year warranty)

Almost started thinking, if somebody puts a Dell sticker on it, nobody would notice...
I notice that most of my ThinkPads are made in Mexico, and not the far east. And, I remember reading disparaging remarks about an oddball series from IBM that were outsourced to a Taiwanese vendor. So, I think IBM may have mostly used their own supply chain.

BTW, I don't say the above to put down Taiwanese producers in general. I think the complaint was about that one line of thinkpad, (1400 series) and not about Taiwanese producers as a whole.
Your thinkpads pre-date the change to Quanta.

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