You realize you're not a 'real' Linux user ...
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| DarrenR114 Mar 07, 2007 9:54 AM EDT |
until you've installed your system from "the ground up" and that means Linux From Scratch:
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ Have fun! hehe ;-) |
| Scott_Ruecker Mar 07, 2007 2:13 PM EDT |
Its funny you say that, I have started looking into LFS recently.. I think I will. Maybe I will write about it too. |
| Sander_Marechal Mar 07, 2007 2:21 PM EDT |
I think it would make for an interesting (series of?) article(s). |
| Bob_Robertson Mar 07, 2007 3:07 PM EDT |
This is indeed very interesting, because I've been looking with great curiosity at LFS. Does looking at it really hard qualify as a "real linux user" or do I have to actually do it? |
| Aladdin_Sane Mar 07, 2007 4:59 PM EDT |
I'm not getting the real difference between LFS and Gentoo? Anyway, I heard you're a real Linux user if you've compiled your own kernel (successfully). |
| Scott_Ruecker Mar 07, 2007 5:03 PM EDT |
There is the level with the burnt sacrifice and a couple of other 'things' and then you a legit.. at least that's what I hear.. ;) |
| DarrenR114 Mar 07, 2007 5:07 PM EDT |
For you, Bob, it won't count until you make your own bootloader: http://www.yolinux.com/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html |
| Bob_Robertson Mar 07, 2007 5:26 PM EDT |
Hey! I thought lilo was good! I still use dselect! I was compiling kernels from kernel.org in order to get the latest, 2.2.19, to run on RedHat 5! Ok, so I've had to change to GRUB recently, but .... writing my own? I'm not a programmer! |
| jdixon Mar 07, 2007 6:28 PM EDT |
> but .... writing my own? I'm not a programmer! Tell you what Bob, in that case we'll let you get by with using loadlin. :) |
| dcparris Mar 07, 2007 9:35 PM EDT |
Hey, even I've used loadlin before! And I do rekall having recompiled my kernel once (Red Hat 5.1/2-ish days). :-) I haven't really needed to since though. I want to do LFS someday, but it's a low priority item at the moment. |
| Sander_Marechal Mar 07, 2007 10:26 PM EDT |
Quoting:I'm not getting the real difference between LFS and Gentoo? Gentoo has it all configured and packaged for you (as a source package that is). With LFS you do everything by hand that Gentoo has automated. It's not a good way to get a working, supportable, maintainable system but a great way to learn the innards on Linux. |
| DarrenR114 Mar 08, 2007 3:43 AM EDT |
Gentoo also supports a BSD toolchain and portage |
| tracyanne Mar 10, 2007 12:00 AM EDT |
You realise you're not a real Linux user when you realise you're not interested in elitism. |
| neolx Mar 13, 2007 9:59 AM EDT |
You know you're a real "Linux" user when you see why Kubuntu is nothing without Debian and Kubuntu is your gold standard for a better, foundational, integrated, system. It is overall better than anything else (Special needs excepted). Basically, Kubuntu does more, faster. http://www.kubuntu.com and cut to the chase. *ubuntu and Debian are not at odds but there will always be the bad apples, in the bunch. Don't stop eating because rotten apples exist. Open software collaboration has been working. It's working better than anything else. Bad Apples abound in the Windows camp; for sure. |
| jimf Mar 13, 2007 10:30 AM EDT |
> Kubuntu does more, faster. In your dreams neolx ;-) |
| dcparris Mar 13, 2007 1:13 PM EDT |
Kubuntu does more faster than what, Windows? Anyone can do that. Debian, in my experience, rocks K/X/Ubuntu out of their walkers. ;-) Dontchya just looove a good distro war? |
| jimf Mar 13, 2007 3:09 PM EDT |
> Dontchya just looove a good distro war? Aww... it's all in fun ;-) To be fair, K/X/Ubuntu probably does rock it's users. Better that have to resort to windows. That said, it may also be saying something about the sophistication of the user. I forgot to add the disclaimer: 'This user is more than a little biased toward Debian' :D |
| bigg Mar 13, 2007 3:14 PM EDT |
Has anyone else used Feisty? Lyx looks awful (like a Tcl/Tk app) in Debian, so I use an alpha of Feisty (Kubuntu) on my second machine for Lyx at work, and it seems to be much faster than the previous versions of Kubuntu. I was wondering if that's my imagination or if they have done something. |
| azerthoth Mar 13, 2007 3:21 PM EDT |
On a side note as to Ubuntu doing things faster (I'm like jimf in prefering Debian, I just like playing with lots of other distros too). My desktop was designed around playing one single game, which doesnt have a port to linux and wine wont bring to life, Neverwinter Nights 2. With that in mind it has a nVidia 7950GX2 which is a single slot SLI card. It takes 2 512M video cards and operates them in SLI mode on a single PCI-E slot. This card however is not something that does well under linux. So imagine my suprise when I installed World of Warcrack under wine and picked up 10 frames per second using only 1/2 of that monster card in a recent install of Ubuntu. Probably not pertinent to anything, but a great story that I felt like sharing. |
| jimf Mar 13, 2007 3:23 PM EDT |
@bigg A properly set up Debian KDE desktop smokes Kubuntu, and is much easier to mantain. I do support for both and there are far more issues with keeping Kubuntu current. Debian 4.0 System: 2.6.20-1-686 X: 7.1.1 KDE: 3.5.6 Qt: 3.3.7 |
| jdixon Mar 13, 2007 6:31 PM EDT |
Anyone who thinks any version of Ubuntu is fast needs to try Slackware. :) Debian can be made fast, but most reviews I've read have said that Slackware is faster out of the box. Red Hat and SuSE aren't even in the same ballpark as those two. Of course, YMMV. |
| jimf Mar 13, 2007 7:17 PM EDT |
> Slackware is faster out of the box If speed is the major concern, Slack and Arch are 'a tad' quicker than Debian when kernel and apps are compiled specifically for the cpu, but also (to my mind) a lot more hassle to modify and mantain. I've tried them and, it's not worth it for me. |
| jdixon Mar 13, 2007 7:54 PM EDT |
> but also (to my mind) a lot more hassle to modify and mantain. Modify, I'll grant. Debian's universe of packages is unmatched. Maintenance, OTOH, seems largely to be a wash to me, especially now that slapt-get is available (for Slackware, I haven't tried Arch). Again, YMMV. The speed difference isn't really even worth considering unless you're running older hardware where every cycle counts. > I've tried them and, it's not worth it for me. Horses for courses. :) And, of course, a properly compiled Gentoo system should, in theory, be the fastest of all. |
| devnet Mar 13, 2007 8:15 PM EDT |
I'd like to challenge lxer readers with making their own distro. Lxer Linux :D I think that would be interesting. |
| jimf Mar 13, 2007 8:39 PM EDT |
> Lxer Linux :D I think that would be interesting. Talk about schizophrenic.... |
| dcparris Mar 13, 2007 9:10 PM EDT |
Don't you mean multiple personality disorder? It could be Debian-based (or LSF?), but would have to offer a choice of default desktops. Iceweasel's default homepage would be LXer (unless everyone would rather see MS facts ads from certain other news sites). The editors and TuxChick (gotta have a gal in the crowd) could don speedos and pose around the LXer logo in the Ubuntu circle for the desktop background. The default login sound could be Dino and Fericyde arguing over which distro is best and why. The default screensaver would feature the core readers wearing pirate hats and chasing Steve and Bill around the screen. And we couldn't do without a talking heads icon theme featuring all of the community pop stars (RMS, ESR, Linus, et. al.). Hey, we all know sex sells. And if y'all think my legs are hot, wait till I take off my shirt! Oh yeah, I can see the headlines now - "hot, barechested preacher puts Linux in millions of homes" |
| tracyanne Mar 13, 2007 9:12 PM EDT |
quote:: "hot, barechested preacher puts Linux in millions of homes" ::quote If you could do that I'd convert in more ways than one. |
| dcparris Mar 13, 2007 10:30 PM EDT |
:-) I'm often self-denigrating, so I figured it was time to balance out. |
| Sander_Marechal Mar 13, 2007 11:40 PM EDT |
Quoting:Hey, we all know sex sells. And if y'all think my legs are hot, wait till I take off my shirt! Oh yeah, I can see the headlines now - "hot, barechested preacher puts Linux in millions of homes" As I said before, someone should take a (live) distro, install pornzilla, adblock + g.filterset, binary news reaper, tor, proxy-switcher and a firewall and market it explicitly as "the only safe way to surf for porn on the net". I guarantee millions of new Linux users within a year. |
| jimf Mar 14, 2007 12:30 AM EDT |
Schizophrenic 'with' multiple personality disorders? :D |
| phsolide Mar 14, 2007 9:44 AM EDT |
Strangely, I just finished my first "linux from scratch" (v6.2) - I'm registered user 18301, I believe. And I did it with a Slackware 11.0 "host system", which I'm sitting in front of right now. Slackware RULES. |
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