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Comment of the Day - November 29, 2005 - Maybe Mac Isn't Such a Good Alternative

Posted by tadelste on Nov 28, 2005 7:30 PM · 15 comments
LXer.com -Article; By WolfRune

WolfRune writes: PCs, by their very nature, are closer to Open Source than Macs. IBM developed the original specs, and then opened things up to the market. While this obviously was a mistake for them, it's been a boon for the general populace. Without this, there would BE no "clone" machines, only the kind of monopoly that Apple now maintains.

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My housemate has a new (as of September) Mac, which he bought for video editing and 3D graphic/animation development (supposedly, the primary purpose for Macs these days). While it has some nice features, and the case is aesthetically pleasing, he has found it to be an exercise in frustration.

Apple support has been absolutely terrible, providing "fixes" that either cripple the already questionable performance, or telling people to live with the problem. Also, they have been well-known to remove threads from their official support message board if the issue is one they do not wish to recognize.

In terms of performance, a computer with dual processors and 4GB of DDR memory SHOULD have stellar performance, but in a side-to-side comparison with his old computer (a 1st-generation P4 with 768 MB of RDRAM), most functions were no better, and some were in fact slower!

Apple has long tried to sell itself as a sort of counter-culture phenomenon, but in truth it is more monopolistic and controlling that Microsoft ever could be. I would venture to say that Microsoft wishes it could BE Apple - Microsoft's repeated attempts to gain some domination of the PC hardware market, while damaging, have not been entirely successful.

Microsoft's O/S and applications may be buggy, but at least they usually admit to errors, even if it's quietly. Apple won't even admit they made an error when they chose a poorly-performing battery for several early generations of iPods, or that there is a real issue with their new iPod Nano's screen.

Finally, while the general populace may not be interested in assembling their own components in to a computer, what about those who DO have such an interest? Apple not only limits your customization options, but your upgrade path is narrow and short.



PCs, by their very nature, are closer to Open Source than Macs. IBM developed the original specs, and then opened things up to the market. While this obviously was a mistake for them, it's been a boon for the general populace. Without this, there would BE no "clone" machines, only the kind of monopoly that Apple now maintains.

Oh, and a Dell XPS system is a gaming-centric PC, so there's not much point in comparing it to a Mac G5, considering that there are few equivalent benchmarks to run the two against each other.

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I don't have no problems with my MAc

I have had several Macs going back a long time. I had a Beige and White and ran OS X on it. I have a blue and white and an iBook and a couple of G4's. I had one problem with the Beige and White. I called and they charged me $35 to fix it over the phone. I had a hard drive that was bad on my iBook, they took it in and in three days I got it back.

All my boxes worked fine and I even develop on them. Everybody is proprietary on the hardware side. Apple is not difference than Dell.

besides, I run Linux on my Apple boxes. Cabron!
"Everybody is proprietary on the hardware side. Apple is not difference than Dell."

I'm not sure I understand your logic here. There is a huge difference in that the hardware for, say, a Mac is simply that - hardware for a Mac.
I see his point.

Even if you can buy commodity parts and assemble them and they work together doesn't mean they aren't proprietary. The board, memory and peripheral manufacturers are proprietary. Mac's use PC peripherals and memory. They have a different mother board and processor chip but so does Shuttle and Abit.



"Mac's use PC peripherals and memory."

Never having messed with the memory on a Mac, I can't really speak to that but it used to be that peripherals were either Mac or PC. I guess it's been a long time since I used a MAC.
Quoting:I guess it's been a long time since I used a MAC.


Must have been at least 4-5 years.

"Must have been at least 4-5 years."

Longer than that, actually. 1997.
what would be the point of buying a Mac if all you got were the usual off-the-shelf lowest third-world-bidder parts? Then you would have a Dell. Or an XBox.
Tuxxie: True. They don't necessarily have the usual junk. In fact, the components are high-grade.

Apple has put out a few notable lemons in the mac family ...

**cough** pizza box **cough, cough** performa **cough**

But the reason they stand out as notable is because the hardware is usually top-notch.
number6x: everyone has put out some lemons. Remember when Dell laptops caught fire? The PS/2 Microchannel by IBM? Gateway Solo Laptops? HP Netservers? Sun - never mind, you get the point.
tadelste: The PS/2 Microchannel was a business failure, but it was a huge technical leap forward at the time. It solved the IRQ configuration problem by dynamically allocating them, resolving conflicts, and it had a 32-bit bus while the ISA bus was 16-bit. A few years later, EISA attempted to accomplish what Microchannel did but did not work as reliably. I am glad Microchannel did not succeed because it would have locked the PC platform back into IBM, but I supported both kinds of PCs back then and they were a breeze to manage when you had to add an expansion card.

I think the author makes a good point about Apple hardware. I admit I am tempted by the high touch designs and OSX, but it seems that Apple has a history of kicking its customers in the groin. Strangely, they don't seem to mind.
slippery, when I read this
Quoting: ... Apple has a history of kicking its customers in the groin. Strangely, they don't seem to mind


and I hear James Brown singing: "Feels So Good!".

I wonder why, I am truly perplexed.
Slippery: acknowledged.

Glad someone else is saying it....

All of the above has certainly been MY experience. Got my iMac for video editing..it was a great excuse to "switch," given the sad state of video editing under Linux.

Sure, iMovie/iDVD is slick and easy to use, but they are also incredibly limiting. The import/export filters seem almost deliberately crippled. And for the longest time, iDVD kept producing DVDs that had a very annoying bug..on certain DVD players, whenever the DVD would transition from chapter one to chapter two you would see a noticable glitch in the playback, sometimes accompanied by audio distortions. Apple had "no response" to any of this, and the end result was I couldn't really USE the damn computer I had purchased for the reasons I needed it. Back to square one. At least the terrible Linux video editing software made DVDs that worked properly. And so the iMac I bought for video editing has become a really expensive and underpowered dumb terminal for connecting to my Linux box.

Apple's attitude has really begun to grate upon me. Steve Jobs says "hey we love open source!" but their actions seem to prove otherwise. Their treatment of the KHTML guys was pretty reprehensible. And Apple has done NOTHING to support open source alternatives like Ogg and FLAC--in fact, they've done quite the opposite by promoting fringe standards like AAC and worse, ALEC. The xiph.org people even offered to port the ogg codec to the iPod FOR FREE to Apple--and Apple ignored them.

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