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Systemd: Got Choice?
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26 earlier comments in the full thread.
I, like Caitlyn, disregarded advice from 3 Linux advocates and carried on writing until one day I made the "offence" of defending a fellow Linux advocate, Fab
There is a follow-up article I wrote:
http://www.linuxadvocates.com/2013/05/cgroups-big-win-for-sy...
This turns over the coin with
Systemd: Got Choice being 'against'
and
Cgroups: A BIG WIN for Systemd being 'pro'
I have reached the conclusion that systemd is 'a good thing' primarily because of the net benefit of cgroups.
As such, 'at this juncture', I feel comfortable giving systemd my full support.
Read the above story.
Thanks Dietrich
http://www.linuxadvocates.com/2013/05/cgroups-big-win-for-sy...
This turns over the coin with
Systemd: Got Choice being 'against'
and
Cgroups: A BIG WIN for Systemd being 'pro'
I have reached the conclusion that systemd is 'a good thing' primarily because of the net benefit of cgroups.
As such, 'at this juncture', I feel comfortable giving systemd my full support.
Read the above story.
Thanks Dietrich
schestowitz: I won't be writing there and I should have listened to you and to Andrew Wyat up front. http://thelinuxworks.blogspot.com/2013/05/it-seems-i-wont-be...
A triad of telling snippets from the above-linked piece on 'The Linux Works' blog:
Similar to one of the above commentator's pieces from nearly three years ago, Latest Examples of Microsoft’s “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” (EEE), shall the current case be an ongoing example of Advocate, Advertise, Antagonize (AAA) by the original self-proclaimed Linux "advocate" who is the very subject of this thread ???
Quoting:Last week I had announced in the LXer forums that I would be a contributing author to Linux Advocates. That was followed by a post announcing that I would be joining their team. I was honestly excited about this. I felt that writing for Linux Advocates would add credibility to my stories and bring me back some of the wider audience I had when I wrote for O'Reilly Media. The additional exposure would help me market my consulting business which brings Linux and FOSS solutions to businesses and organizations looking to reduce IT costs and enhance the reliability, stability and security of their IT infrastructure.
Quoting:Only then did I really read and digest everything else Mr. Schmitz wanted me to do, like setup an account in his domain so that I could have a Linux Advocates e-mail address. He also wanted me to install a Zemanta plugin for Chrome. I have deliberately chosen not to use Chrome (an article about that soon) and wasn't happy about that at all. I went to install the Zemanta plugin for Firefox instead and was presented with a Microsoft-style End User License Agreement (EULA). As many in the open source community would expect, that set off all sorts of red flags for me.
Quoting:Suddenly, I found myself reading a license agreement for a proprietary piece of software that explicitly had terms relating to collecting and retaining data.
I felt deeply uncomfortable and didn't go through with the installation. It's one thing to be forced to use proprietary software to service a client or do work required by an employed. It's quite another for someone who is getting my labor at no cost and benefiting from it to demand I install something on my own system. I first asked if Zemanta was mandatory and then wrote a follow-up e-mail making clear that I wasn't about to install it.
Mr. Schmitz' response was direct and to the point. If I can't accommodate how he chooses to run his site then I should go elsewhere.
Similar to one of the above commentator's pieces from nearly three years ago, Latest Examples of Microsoft’s “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” (EEE), shall the current case be an ongoing example of Advocate, Advertise, Antagonize (AAA) by the original self-proclaimed Linux "advocate" who is the very subject of this thread ???
From what I can gather, Zemanta is a tool designed to increase a blog's audience via the gathering of data inside of their own network of bloggers (which you join by installing the software and using it on your own blog etc...) and search engine optimization.
Basically, what happens is that related content pops up as one is writing a particular blog post and/or article. It can act as a glorified tool of link bait.
I personally don't know the effectiveness of the software in question, though they do have a slick ad for it that can be viewed here:
http://wordpress.org/plugins/zemanta/
It's also available for other platforms such as Blogger, Tumblr, etc....
I'm not so sure that such a tool is appropriate for a Linux Advocacy site. Then again, I'm not the one who runs said site in the first place, so it's clearly not my call. With that said, I personally wouldn't be using a tool such as Zemanta on my own site in the first place, because:
1.) It uses e107, so it's not compatible as far as I know.
2.) I run a personal blog using WordPress, and there's already an SEO plugin at work. I've surfed plenty of times and became annoyed at the ads taking up my screen space, so on my own personal blog, I choose not to have any ads anyway.
3.) Link baiting can be fun, but if the source turns out to be inaccurate, there goes your credibility.... straight down the toilet.
Basically, what happens is that related content pops up as one is writing a particular blog post and/or article. It can act as a glorified tool of link bait.
I personally don't know the effectiveness of the software in question, though they do have a slick ad for it that can be viewed here:
http://wordpress.org/plugins/zemanta/
It's also available for other platforms such as Blogger, Tumblr, etc....
I'm not so sure that such a tool is appropriate for a Linux Advocacy site. Then again, I'm not the one who runs said site in the first place, so it's clearly not my call. With that said, I personally wouldn't be using a tool such as Zemanta on my own site in the first place, because:
1.) It uses e107, so it's not compatible as far as I know.
2.) I run a personal blog using WordPress, and there's already an SEO plugin at work. I've surfed plenty of times and became annoyed at the ads taking up my screen space, so on my own personal blog, I choose not to have any ads anyway.
3.) Link baiting can be fun, but if the source turns out to be inaccurate, there goes your credibility.... straight down the toilet.
Although I can't comment on this article as I haven't read it and will not be doing so it seems to me folks should just stay away from LinuxAdvocates and simply not give it the traffic he appears to crave, I stopped going yonks ago simply because very few of the articles made sense in regards to advocating linux which is IMO a serious misnomer.
I do wish though that Lxer had some kind of article voting system (karma) or at least a source filter to prevent certain articles being visible.
I do wish though that Lxer had some kind of article voting system (karma) or at least a source filter to prevent certain articles being visible.
It does. This discussion forum.
While I often decry some of the totally pointless and off-base selections that DO get posted here, it's kinda like linux, in that it offers a choice. If you don't like a story/article, you can always post your thoughts on why you dislike it. Or not. Or jes walk away. Like linux, the choice is yours. ;)
While I often decry some of the totally pointless and off-base selections that DO get posted here, it's kinda like linux, in that it offers a choice. If you don't like a story/article, you can always post your thoughts on why you dislike it. Or not. Or jes walk away. Like linux, the choice is yours. ;)
@caitlyn: I made the same error you made by not listening to 3 victims before me. it's an ego-trip site, where he also refers to himself as a third person.
@vainrveenr I have been advocating GNU/Linux full time and beyond (for no pay) for nearly a decade now and not once did I come across Dietrich.
@nitbob,
>> If you don't like a story/article, you can always post your thoughts on why you dislike it. Or not. Or jes walk away. Like linux, the choice is yours. ;)
Yep, pretty much like Henry Ford's cars in the early part of the 20th century: "You have the choice of any color of car you want, as long as its black. Oh, yer accusin' us of JUST havin' black are ya'? Well, we might have a handful of white cars among the 10K blacks we offer you folks..." ;)
Go see how the pseudo-"censorer" and master link-baiter's lust to overseed/*post-flood* onto the forums using repeated strokes on his keybd keeps working for him...
-fb
>> If you don't like a story/article, you can always post your thoughts on why you dislike it. Or not. Or jes walk away. Like linux, the choice is yours. ;)
Yep, pretty much like Henry Ford's cars in the early part of the 20th century: "You have the choice of any color of car you want, as long as its black. Oh, yer accusin' us of JUST havin' black are ya'? Well, we might have a handful of white cars among the 10K blacks we offer you folks..." ;)
Go see how the pseudo-"censorer" and master link-baiter's lust to overseed/*post-flood* onto the forums using repeated strokes on his keybd keeps working for him...
-fb
Quoting:@vainrveenr I have been advocating GNU/Linux full time and beyond (for no pay) for nearly a decade now and not once did I come across Dietrich.
Perhaps the self-proclaimed Linux "advocate" in question is absolutely forced to come out-of-hiding, and must do so now, due to the situation described within the penultimate paragraph of the blog piece It Seems I Won't Be Writing For Linux Advocates After All ??
I wish there were more people as principled as Caitlyn.
It takes guts to take a stand on something where your livelihood is affected.
I know that Caitlyn was going to be contributing for free, but exposure and credibility are the lifeblood of writers.
Quoting: I have been advocating GNU/Linux full time and beyond (for no pay) for nearly a decade now and not once did I come across Dietrich.
For what it's worth, I've seen his (Dietrich Schmitz's) posts for many years in the comments sections of ZDNet articles. And IIRC all that time he signed himself as "Your Linux Advocate".
Perhaps that extensive (over?) exposure to the ZD Net forums explains his approach?
@BernardSwiss
It's interesting that you should mention ZDNet. It is, by far, *the worst* place to be a 'Linux Advocate'. Yet I took arrows in the chest for six years there..
With that experience I have formed a policy for moderation which is as follows:
1) If you cannot communicate your thoughts in a polite cordial way, then your comments will be summarily deleted. 2) If you are deleted more than once, I will blacklist you.
My goal of keeping Linux Advocates from turning into a cage fight is working.
Very little trouble with comments.
Call it 'hard nosed' or whatever, moderating is necessary in today's world where millions of people feel they are not held accountable for their behavior on the Internet the same way they are in the general public.
I've NEVER used an alias on the Internet because it gives rise to bad behavior.
It's interesting that you should mention ZDNet. It is, by far, *the worst* place to be a 'Linux Advocate'. Yet I took arrows in the chest for six years there..
With that experience I have formed a policy for moderation which is as follows:
1) If you cannot communicate your thoughts in a polite cordial way, then your comments will be summarily deleted. 2) If you are deleted more than once, I will blacklist you.
My goal of keeping Linux Advocates from turning into a cage fight is working.
Very little trouble with comments.
Call it 'hard nosed' or whatever, moderating is necessary in today's world where millions of people feel they are not held accountable for their behavior on the Internet the same way they are in the general public.
I've NEVER used an alias on the Internet because it gives rise to bad behavior.
Quoting:1) If you can communicate your thoughts in a polite cordial way, then your comments will be summarily deleted.
Yep, that's what people have been saying.
@djohnston Funny. It's been corrected. Thanks.
No full comment here (yet!) Anyone in particular got any pseudo-witty putdowns to pick off 1-by-1 those of us who care to speak up on the subject of this systemd FUD?
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@flufferbeer
You are shooting blanks. Got nothing intelligent to say? Just personalizations?
How are you on the issues? Not good I guess.
There's nothing in your comments that would lead me to believe you have any interest in the topic. Just attacks.
And if you actually went to the trouble of 'reading' the follow on article, I look at cgroups and give systemd a 'thumbs up' approval.
But that would require too much 'thinking' on your part.
Go back under your rock.
How are you on the issues? Not good I guess.
There's nothing in your comments that would lead me to believe you have any interest in the topic. Just attacks.
And if you actually went to the trouble of 'reading' the follow on article, I look at cgroups and give systemd a 'thumbs up' approval.
But that would require too much 'thinking' on your part.
Go back under your rock.
Dietrich said to BernardSwiss, (corrected version):
Then he said to flufferbeer:
Is that your way of being polite and cordial? flufferbeer was merely asking if anyone had something to say on the subject of systemd. Do as I say, not as I do, eh, Dietrich?
Quoting:1) If you cannot communicate your thoughts in a polite cordial way, then your comments will be summarily deleted.
Then he said to flufferbeer:
Quoting:But that would require too much 'thinking' on your part.
Go back under your rock.
Is that your way of being polite and cordial? flufferbeer was merely asking if anyone had something to say on the subject of systemd. Do as I say, not as I do, eh, Dietrich?
@djohnston
Oh dear. That was rude of me wasn't it? I am so sorry.
So, what else do you have besides nothing?
Your preoccupation with me and not the topic is interesting.
Maybe you'd like to be my pen pal? PM me with your thoughts: dietrich at dtschmitz dot com
Are you on one of those 'character assassination' crusades?
To bad you haven't got anything intelligent to say on the topic.
Instead you like many others behave like "pavlov's dog" howl and bark at the mere sight of me. LOL You are too funny.
Oh dear, I think I might have been rude again without realizing it. So. sorry.
I must keep that in check. ;)
Oh dear. That was rude of me wasn't it? I am so sorry.
So, what else do you have besides nothing?
Your preoccupation with me and not the topic is interesting.
Maybe you'd like to be my pen pal? PM me with your thoughts: dietrich at dtschmitz dot com
Are you on one of those 'character assassination' crusades?
To bad you haven't got anything intelligent to say on the topic.
Instead you like many others behave like "pavlov's dog" howl and bark at the mere sight of me. LOL You are too funny.
Oh dear, I think I might have been rude again without realizing it. So. sorry.
I must keep that in check. ;)
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