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24 earlier comments in the full thread.
Well, for that matter I've never personally seen a Windows 10 upgrade fail and neither have other 10 million other people. Since we are limiting discussions to personal perceptions and feelings.
> ...and neither have other 10 million other people.
Hmm. I can't get the link to work. Simply Google Windows 10 upgrade failure.
That's a lot of hits for something no one's ever seen.
Hmm. I can't get the link to work. Simply Google Windows 10 upgrade failure.
That's a lot of hits for something no one's ever seen.
I'm back. It's amazing what Laser therapy can do in an eye. Just had a cell layer removed from the back of an artificial lens.....It took five minutes and my sight is again crystal clear. I sit back amazed at modern technology. I also drove home 170km about 3 hours after it was done with my eye doctor's blessing.
Now, cybertao......go look at this:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2971620/microsoft-windo...
And that's just for starters. As jdixon suggests, Google on Windows 10 upgrade failure and sit back and watch the results flood in.....
I did NOT set out to criticise Win10. I simply reported another person's reactions and suggested Redmond would not like such an outcome. That is NOT overdefensiveness - I have nothing to be defensive about, other than your oblique personal attack on the man himself and I do not resile from considering it "unhelpful". I'm a messenger for heaven's sakes....nothing else.
Now, cybertao......go look at this:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2971620/microsoft-windo...
And that's just for starters. As jdixon suggests, Google on Windows 10 upgrade failure and sit back and watch the results flood in.....
I did NOT set out to criticise Win10. I simply reported another person's reactions and suggested Redmond would not like such an outcome. That is NOT overdefensiveness - I have nothing to be defensive about, other than your oblique personal attack on the man himself and I do not resile from considering it "unhelpful". I'm a messenger for heaven's sakes....nothing else.
Well duh, google upgrade failure for the distribution of your choice and you will get results. The first hit for 'slackware upgrade failure' is the Slackware system upgrade page where they suggest considering a fresh installation as penguinist outlined earlier.
Hearsay about someone having an upgrade issue is a really dumb argument to criticise an OS for.
Hearsay about someone having an upgrade issue is a really dumb argument to criticise an OS for.
Good news about your peepers Ridcully and glad you made it out of Brisvegas OK. I'm dreading having to go there in a fortnight to watch the Broncos play the Storm. The drive down does not worry me, it is the drive home, having to contend with the friday arvo traffic, and the inevitable hangover after throwing quite a few too many schooners down my neck after the game.
> Hearsay about someone having an upgrade issue is a really dumb argument to criticise an OS for.
No one claimed no one had ever had a Slackware upgrade failure, merely that they never had. You're the one who said "Well, for that matter I've never personally seen a Windows 10 upgrade fail and neither have other 10 million other people".
No one claimed no one had ever had a Slackware upgrade failure, merely that they never had. You're the one who said "Well, for that matter I've never personally seen a Windows 10 upgrade fail and neither have other 10 million other people".
Yes, the comment that I haven't seen a Windows 10 upgrade fail is as irrelevant to the context of the discussion as the comments about Slackware upgrades never failing. Such comments don't refute the fact upgrades fail - the reason Ridcully orginally stated as the reason for someone dissing Windows 10.
Ridcully wrote:"Win10 totally stuffed his computer and he had to reformat and reinstall to get rid of the muck!!" Now that's a recommendation for Win10 that I think Redmond really could do without.
Quoting:Hearsay about someone having an upgrade issue is a really dumb argument to criticise an OS for.
Cybertao, my personal perception of your comment above is that you are simply creating mischief. At no time have I criticized Win10 - I merely said that Redmond wouldn't like the assessment made by the person who had the upgrade problem. Please do NOT place "words in my mouth that I never uttered"; it is pure dishonesty. Further, much of what appears on the web consists of quotations from what others have said - reviews and summaries are precise examples. I am fully entitled to quote exactly what was sent to me by a solid authority, just as you are entitled to do the same. I also suggest firmly now, that all you are trying to do is provoke dissent for the sheer pleasure of doing so, not that you have anything worthwhile to add to the situation.
No doubt you will try to refute my remark above, but I am not the only one who is reading this thread and I will leave others to make up their own minds. I suggest once more that you drop the matter. It is going nowhere.
Currently running Windows 10 on one machine which was previously running Win 7 (hooked up to TV).
The Bad:
I had to put in a tremendous amount of work into removing all the cr@p.
It has also been doing some very odd things with the keyboard, I have it set for UK Keyboard Layout but this sometimes does not get applied at startup, it has also on the odd occasion been doing random key presses. It is not the keyboard as I replaced it with another UK keyboard from one of my linux boxes and it is doing the same their was no problem under Win 7.
The default Broadcom 43xx driver for my wifi card Win 10 comes with is also awful the data rates are very slow and it suffers from dropouts even though the signal is excellent, this problem has been noted by others and the solution is to install the Broadcom BCM43xx driver for Win 8.1 just google it there are plenty out there, I did this and my data rates literally doubled and stability returned.
My old Creative Labs Live 5.1 sound card was not supported worked fine on Win 7 with the beta 64 bit driver that Creative released, this driver won't even install on Win 10. Solved by using the emu10 driver from the kxproject.
The Good
Uses less memory than Win 7.
It runs Roblox (for my kid, thats my excuse and i'm sticking to it)
I intend to give it another couple of weeks to see if the keyboard issues fix themselves as it has already been auto patched twice I think. Although I wasn't there when they happened, my wife mentioned it had decided to patch itself and I told her yep it does that and their is very little you can do to stop it.
If keyboard issues don't get fixed and the current Roblox on Wine issues don't get fixed either then it will be back to Win 7, if Roblox on wine does get fixed I will put Linux Mint 17.2 XFCE on the machine instead.
Have blocked the Win 10 update on my wifes Win 7 laptop as she said she has now seen too many horror stories that she doesn't want to take any chances (if it aint broke dont fix it)
The Bad:
I had to put in a tremendous amount of work into removing all the cr@p.
It has also been doing some very odd things with the keyboard, I have it set for UK Keyboard Layout but this sometimes does not get applied at startup, it has also on the odd occasion been doing random key presses. It is not the keyboard as I replaced it with another UK keyboard from one of my linux boxes and it is doing the same their was no problem under Win 7.
The default Broadcom 43xx driver for my wifi card Win 10 comes with is also awful the data rates are very slow and it suffers from dropouts even though the signal is excellent, this problem has been noted by others and the solution is to install the Broadcom BCM43xx driver for Win 8.1 just google it there are plenty out there, I did this and my data rates literally doubled and stability returned.
My old Creative Labs Live 5.1 sound card was not supported worked fine on Win 7 with the beta 64 bit driver that Creative released, this driver won't even install on Win 10. Solved by using the emu10 driver from the kxproject.
The Good
Uses less memory than Win 7.
It runs Roblox (for my kid, thats my excuse and i'm sticking to it)
I intend to give it another couple of weeks to see if the keyboard issues fix themselves as it has already been auto patched twice I think. Although I wasn't there when they happened, my wife mentioned it had decided to patch itself and I told her yep it does that and their is very little you can do to stop it.
If keyboard issues don't get fixed and the current Roblox on Wine issues don't get fixed either then it will be back to Win 7, if Roblox on wine does get fixed I will put Linux Mint 17.2 XFCE on the machine instead.
Have blocked the Win 10 update on my wifes Win 7 laptop as she said she has now seen too many horror stories that she doesn't want to take any chances (if it aint broke dont fix it)
Ridcully wrote:Cybertao, my personal perception of your comment above is that you are simply creating mischief.While I realised you changed and elaborated details later, the chain of discussion by others stems from your original statement and my response to it. My first response was incredibly tame, merely pointing out the subject still installed a version of Windows instead of migrating to an alternative - the context of the thread subject. I requoted the comment from your original post because that's what you said then and there.
Writing off an operating-system because someone had an upgrade issue isn't right. That's what I was expressing from the start. Other people seem to be picking at that without directly addressing it, probably because no one directly disagrees. So who's creating mischief, and why am I supposed to be the one to 'let it go' when my comments at the time were completely valid?
Cybertao....thankyou for confirming exactly the point I have been making. I am now leaving this thread as I do not intend to waste any more of my time arguing with someone who is merely attempting to point score and, as I said, create mischief. R.
Koriel wrote:It has also been doing some very odd things with the keyboard, I have it set for UK Keyboard Layout but this sometimes does not get applied at startup, it has also on the odd occasion been doing random key presses. It is not the keyboard as I replaced it with another UK keyboard from one of my linux boxes and it is doing the same their was no problem under Win 7.I've read about a range of different keyboard behaviour problems, such as it disappearing completely, unplugging and plugging not resolving the issue, requiring a reboot.
What crud did you remove, and how?
cybertao: I've been following this thread and I'm really not getting the point that you are trying to make. Should we simply discount you as just another troll? or do you really have a constructive point to make?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you are wanting to imply that "Windows10 is the Greatest", a message that few experienced Linux users will be ready to accept.
So do you you really have a positive statement to make? or are you only here to "create mischief"?
With all due respect, cybertao, you are coming across as a Windows-Fanboy, whether that is your intention or not.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you are wanting to imply that "Windows10 is the Greatest", a message that few experienced Linux users will be ready to accept.
So do you you really have a positive statement to make? or are you only here to "create mischief"?
With all due respect, cybertao, you are coming across as a Windows-Fanboy, whether that is your intention or not.
Ridcully wrote:Cybertao....thankyou for confirming exactly the point I have been making. I am now leaving this thread as I do not intend to waste any more of my time arguing with someone who is merely attempting to point score and, as I said, create mischief.You could just let it go and discuss the topic as I've been trying to do, instead of thinking this a petty personal point scoring game before taking your ball home in a huff.
I removed pretty much all of the bundled apps except cortana all done using the methods here http://www.howtogeek.com/224798/how-to-uninstall-windows-10s...
Sometimes re-booting fixes the keyboard only to come back the next day facilitating another reboot, as i say its got a couple of weeks to fix itself if not back to Win 7 or Mint XFCE, im not putting in any further effort in as I have development work to do and no time to spend on fixing other folks bugs.
Sometimes re-booting fixes the keyboard only to come back the next day facilitating another reboot, as i say its got a couple of weeks to fix itself if not back to Win 7 or Mint XFCE, im not putting in any further effort in as I have development work to do and no time to spend on fixing other folks bugs.
> You could just let it go and discuss the topic as I've been trying to do, instead of thinking this a petty personal point scoring game before taking your ball home in a huff.
And yet you're the one that started the "petty personal point scoring game" with Ridcully, when he was simply passing on a personal anecdote.
And yet you're the one that started the "petty personal point scoring game" with Ridcully, when he was simply passing on a personal anecdote.
Koriel wrote:...im not putting in any further effort in as I have development work to do and no time to spend on fixing other folks bugs.My thoughts are that Microsoft's current free upgrade programme is effectively beta testing. Enterprise is where they make their money, and enterprise customers are always reluctant to upgrade. Many corporations and institutions are still using XP, and others only just got around to Windows 7. Microsoft need to gain their confidence that Windows 10 is viable in a year or two.
Quoting:My thoughts are that Microsoft's current free upgrade programme is effectively beta testing.
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cybertao wrote:My thoughts are that Microsoft's current free upgrade programme is effectively beta testing.
As it has been with pretty much every version of Windows ever released. Second editions may be exceptions (3 -> 3.11, 98 -> 98 Second Edition, 2008 -> 2008 R2, etc.)
My latest Win 10 experiences:
The Good:
Keyboard layout is now working correctly and no more random key presses, not sure which update fixed it though.
The Bad:
After one of the recent updates found a whole bunch of bundled apps that I had removed had been re-installed notably OneNote, GetOffice and Groove music. This is not good when I remove apps I have good reason to do so, so funnily enough I actually like them to stay removed, I know I know what a control freak I must be. Removed them again.
Windows 7 re-install is getting closer and closer, if the bundled apps re-appear again that is the end of Win 10 for me, except as a VM to test SelekTOR.
The Good:
Keyboard layout is now working correctly and no more random key presses, not sure which update fixed it though.
The Bad:
After one of the recent updates found a whole bunch of bundled apps that I had removed had been re-installed notably OneNote, GetOffice and Groove music. This is not good when I remove apps I have good reason to do so, so funnily enough I actually like them to stay removed, I know I know what a control freak I must be. Removed them again.
Windows 7 re-install is getting closer and closer, if the bundled apps re-appear again that is the end of Win 10 for me, except as a VM to test SelekTOR.
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