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Review: Xubuntu 7.04 revisited

Posted by Steven_Rosenber on · 29 comments
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Ubuntu and its sister Linux distributions -- including Xubuntu, Kubuntu and Edbuntu -- finds themselves in an enviable yet thankless position in the Linux universe. That the 'Buntus are the most popular choice among Linux users is without question. Ubuntu is nearly always at the top of Distrowatch.com's popularity list, its forums are busy -- make that very busy -- and also very friendly. New users are welcomed, their hands are held, and command-line fixes are offered along with gentle encourgement.

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9 earlier comments in the full thread.

Quoting:the fact that I have never been able to successfully add repositories to the sources.list file have kept me away [...] I like good old Debian or OpenSuSE a lot better.


Eh? How can you be able to add to sources.list in Debian but not in Ubuntu? They work exactly the same (unless something big changed between 6.10 and 7.04 and I missed it).
Sander: No matter how many times I tried to get it to work, it was a no go. I am sure it was user error. :-)
The most common error when editing a sources.list is forgetting the deb in front of the URL. Wrong:

http://example.org/path distro section [section [...]]

Right:

deb http://example.org/path distro section [section [...]]

Example:

deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main universe multiverse

Edit: Ha! I beat the LXer URL auto-linker!
please share that last trick. please please please
please please please please please please please please

And -0- while you're at it -- do you know a way to get strike-through for edits?
Quoting:but my girlfriend's 12-year-old nephew is taking to it like a duck to water
I have two nephews, 11 & 8 year old. They have been having problems with XP for a while. Three weeks ago, I decided to help them out. Instead of fixing their XP, I decide to give them one of the old, but decent, PCs I have.

I installed PCLOS and included many of the games but didn't let them know. I told them this computer is to learn about computers, so go ahead and explore to your hearts content. I even gave them the root password but explained how important it is and to be careful about it.

I checked with them every few days and every time they are more excited about it than before. Guess what, they don't even want to use XP any more, Linux is much faster and a lot more cool computer and keep asking "when are you going to get our stuff from the OLD computer".. They haven't touched the XP machine at all since and they don't want to.

After installing it, I just showed them how to log on and that was it. They found everything else on their own. For those who keep talking about retraining, I say you are full of it. They didn't only find all the games, they also found everything else, OOo, Gimp, Inkscape, how to configure their KDE (schemes and everything else related). They even created an account for the 4 year old little brother who played Potato Head and Bubbles.

They have downloaded pictures from their camera and it was a snap. So simple and automatic to show them how to download them and have taken pictures and video clips of anything and everything around them. They keep fighting about which one to use as background and keep changing each other's when they get the chance.

They don't have Internet connection, now their mother is going to get it for them after she heard how safe it is and what they can do. She was hooked on some games too. Most importantly them making some promises (yeah right!).

They keep saying "it is the best present they got".

You know what, my wife keeps telling that, I am being more excited and happier than they are.

I think she is right

All the praise heaped upon Vector Standard made me want to revisit Xubuntu. And the whole point of doing the review, and writing it the way I did, was that the Ubuntu family's feverish popularity makes its distros subject to a higher standard.

Since Ubuntu is the No. 1 distro by many measurements (with Xubuntu being a derivative that uses most of the same tools), I wanted to analyze its popularity and whether or not it lives up to the hype.

Other distros should take heed of some of what, in my opinion, is responsible for Ubuntu's popularity: single-disc, live CD used as an installer, an install script without too many questions for users, the ability to do partitioning automatically, excellent desktop aesthetics (in Xubuntu anyway -- Ubuntu is still that orangey brown, I think) and good choice of applications. Many distros have some or most of these attributes, some have all of them.

And then there's that huge Ubuntu community. Between the well-trafficked forums and many ancillary blogs, there's just a lot of Ubuntu out there. I often find answers to my Debian questions from Ubuntu people.

But I hadn't read anywhere that Xubuntu 7.04 basically ships BROKEN -- you can't even launch a program until you do a bit of Xfce configuration. My conclusion is that Canonical keeps a close eye on Ubuntu, much less so on Xubuntu, or they wouldn't have let an ISO out of the gate with fundamental (though easily repairable) problems.

I did go back to 6.06 LTS, and while everything worked, it had that flat blue look that every other Xfce distro has.

I guess I'm saying that Ubuntu is way, way too big to ignore at this point -- that's why I'm writing about it.
Quoting:I guess I'm saying that Ubuntu is way, way too big to ignore at this point


I don't think Ubuntu is being ignored; If it was, it wouldn't be that popular. Don't take me wrong, K/Ubuntu is pretty good distro and all but it is not the best. What is helping it the most is the backing by a commercial company with much resources and the bias of journalists who always favor commercial companies for their marketing resources.

What is being ignored is PCLinuxOS. I believe it is more mature than K/Ubuntu and much nicer in my perspective. There is nothing in K/Ubuntu that is not in PCLinuxOS other than the Automatix tool to download Proprietary Codecs after users agree to take responsibility.

Quoting:please share that last trick. please please please


He, it's easy. The autolinker searches for stuff starting with http:// or www. I simply replaced the : in http:// with an HTML entity for the ASCII code of the : namely :. So I type:

http://www.example.com

PS: Note that if you edit your post, you need to re-add the HTML entities.

PPS: It also works with www. The HTML entity for a w is w
When it comes to KDE, I don't put Kubuntu into the top tier. So far, my favorite KDE distro of the few I've tried is Slackware -- KDE works better for me there than it does in Kubuntu and SimplyMepis. The NimbleX live CD also shows how fast KDE can be.

I really don't know how much the success of Ubuntu is due to Canonical's marketing and money. I'm sure it's a factor, but I can't, for the most part, really see it. I bet Red Hat and Novell spend more in terms of money and people. When it comes to the enterprise, they are winning, but for the consumer, it's another story.
Ubuntu's success is definitely marketing. It's the Cool Distro. And that's OK- it has given Linux awareness a big shot in the arm, and introduced Linux to a whole new group of users. Red hat and SUSE have been playing in the big corporate world for years without making the kinds of inroads Ubuntu has. Ubuntu on Dell is huge, and Lenovo keeps making Linux noises, though when you visit their site you have to be an ace detective to find any actual mention of Linux.

Marketing is way important. Don't quibble over trivial stuff- the most important step is getting people to try it. Then you can quibble over the trivial stuff :)
Quoting:When it comes to KDE, I don't put Kubuntu into the top tier...


I just happen to like KDE more than GNOME and I used Kubuntu for a while to find out what this Ubuntu is all about.

> I used Kubuntu for a while to find out what this Ubuntu is all about.

Interesting. I have Ubuntu boxes and a Kubuntu box. Kubuntu looks and feels a lot like Ubuntu. IMHO, that makes it a less than stellar KDE distribution.
Quoting:Kubuntu looks and feels a lot like Ubuntu. IMHO, that makes it a less than stellar KDE distribution.


Meaning Ubuntu being the handicap in Kubuntu!

>Meaning Ubuntu being the handicap in Kubuntu!

I'm not sure that I'd put it exactly that way. It's more a matter of Ubuntu being very GNOME-ish and Kubuntu having a vaguely GNOME-ish feel instead of being proudly and gloriously a KDE distro.
That's it -- Kubuntu just isn't KDE enough. At least ship it with KOffice.
Quoting:That's it -- Kubuntu just isn't KDE enough. At least ship it with KOffice.


I agree.

Its KDE, if you want it to look and act as much like Gnome as possible. The default look anyway.

Up until this last year for me, SuSE has been the gold standard for KDE. I have to say though, I have been running Etch on KDE on my desktop for a while and I really like it.

I have the best of both worlds right now, OpenSuSE on my Laptop and Etch on my Desktop.

I'm a pig in mud.

>I'm a pig in mud.

There's help for that, you know.
There's always Mint.
A pig in mud, with Mint.

That's a mental image I didn't need.

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