Where in the H*** is the Beef??!!

Story: Microsoft to ODF Technical Committee: Come to RedmondTotal Replies: 9
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vainrveenr

Jun 23, 2008
6:10 PM EDT
Here are ALL of the respective non-quotation links in schestowitz's blog-piece as of 01:00 UTC 24-June-2008:

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/21/odf-vaporware-advice/ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/22/microsoft-odf-skeptics/ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/22/mythical-odf-office-supp... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/16/odf-smear-campaign/ http://boycottnovell.com/ooxml-abuse-index/ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/12/trips-to-microsoft-specu... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/29/stealing-furthe-rprogres...

Notice the domain name of each and every one of these URL's.

The Information Emperor has no clothes; no external links verifying the likelihood that the newsworthy event of the title is actually occurring. Unbelievable. Shame, shame!

Perhaps other third parties would care to provide one or more outside links that schestowitz may be privy to, in order to verify or dispute the statements of his 'Come to Re[d]mond' post, hmm?

tuxchick

Jun 23, 2008
6:43 PM EDT
You noticed that too :). Maybe a more accurate blog title would be 'The Endless Self-Referencing Mobius Strip'. For me he's hard to follow, so even if he has interesting conspiracies and smoking guns I don't feel like laboring to understand them. Or maybe I'm just getting feebleminded.
thenixedreport

Jun 23, 2008
7:43 PM EDT
Quoting:Or maybe I'm just getting feebleminded.


Meh, more like lazy. And I can understand it from time to time. Those links to other parts of his blog are more than likely for purposes of, "If you don't know about this, we covered it earlier..." Those links are probably so a reader can catch themselves up. Those links more than likely have external links themselves. ;)
tracyanne

Jun 23, 2008
7:56 PM EDT
Quoting:Those links more than likely have external links themselves. ;)


I haven't found any. TC is correct - 'The Endless Self-Referencing Mobius Strip'
schestowitz

Jun 23, 2008
9:18 PM EDT
vainrveenr, the links are internal because it's quicker to add them that way (a sort of macro), but in each one you have external links. It's not about arguments being made without evidence.

BTW, I have a typo in the headline (should be "Redmond")

[Editor: fixed headline typo]
thenixedreport

Jun 23, 2008
11:19 PM EDT
Keep in mind everyone: Other FOSS advocates were "invited" to Redmond's campus in the past....
gus3

Jun 23, 2008
11:24 PM EDT
Was it an offer they couldn't refuse?
flufferbeer

Jun 24, 2008
12:08 AM EDT
@schestowitz

Your typo reminds me of the renown sitcom Everybody Loves Raymond. It was a situational comedy on U.S. broadcast television about a family-man (Ray Barone) in a close-knit family who is simultaneously a father, husband, brother and son. In the case here, it's sarcastically read as Everybody Loves Redmond. No Ray, few reading this enjoy M$*%#$&'s ongoing REAL shenanigans, as you so emphatically try to detail.

One aspect of your blogs I see is the difficulty to labor and dig around within all your self-referenced blogs for finding the actual external link or links on the actual subject matter of post such as this one. Among the self-referenced links that vainrveenr highlights, one of these refers to the recent news of M$ replacing OOXML-support in M$Office with ODF-support (and NOT the direct subject of actually bringing the ODF tech committee to Redmond at all!), and a second link which DOES contain the news story of the M$hillly turncoat Patrick Durusau actually visiting Redmond...... but this external reference is a three full months ago and already old news! (and BTW in case its not too obvious, I'm not a big fan of Micro$hafts) All of the past self-referenced links on top here refer right back forward-in-time to today's post, so I and others tend to twist and turn and labor going back and forth. As far as arguments being made without evidence, I've gone back and forth between your blog columns and _I_ certainly haven't yet found all the relevant and up-to-date external links supporting such arguments, assuming that they;re all really there for everyone to find and see.

Would you like to know how outspoken developer groups would describe this hunt for supporting evidence? (of course not, it's a rhetorical question) They put in down as Literary Reference Recursion. Each cross-linked reference calls itself and its internal references in a long and belabored calling pattern until the correct value found somewhere deep inside the routine is finally drawn out. End result? Code Recursion works great for a program to carry out, but Literary Recursion is poorly designed for the human readers of your blog to sift through.

Hence, our sympathies are there for those who term this the "Endless Self-Referencing Mobius Strip". -fb
vainrveenr

Jun 24, 2008
8:59 AM EDT
Significant that the top hits of a Google search upon "Microsoft" and "ODF Technical Committee" are links right back to the author's blog and to this LXer Newswire post of the same.

Quoting:Would you like to know how outspoken developer groups would describe this hunt for supporting evidence? (of course not, it's a rhetorical question) They put in down as Literary Reference Recursion. Each cross-linked reference calls itself and its internal references in a long and belabored calling pattern until the correct value found somewhere deep inside the routine is finally drawn out.
An appropriate definition and discussion of Recursion can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion among other fine URLs. From this, one can easily derive a more accurate definition of the Recursion of Literary References to fit the actual usage of the same within the top links.

Should readers of this particular LXer thread wish to see at least one real-life example that nicely demonstrates the overall concept of Recursion, they are certainly invited to visit the last link of the second thread-comment written by this Discussion commentator, found at http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/27420/, and follow the ending invitation therein until this concept is perhaps more clearly understood ;)

Sander_Marechal

Jun 24, 2008
10:36 PM EDT
Quoting:Significant that the top hits of a Google search upon "Microsoft" and "ODF Technical Committee" are [...] this LXer Newswire post


Not surprising. Google puts recent news, blogposts and other freshly written articles near the top of it's search results.

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